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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by zidad »

mercy_dude wrote: post #78
botanical wrote: post #12

I applaud her for her courage. Israel has seemingly been given leeway to do as they please when it comes to Palestianian freedom of movement. And Google's none the better with their AI drone programme. I mean Palestinians have it hard to put it lightly. Israel is an Apartheid State that's enacting a harsh Apartheid system against these people: * Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestin…

Mostly agree with you. I used to be as pro-Israel as it gets but after my visits to that area I think the burden you mr average Joe Palestinian has to bear to for example just to do normal things such as going to work or driving to see the family or take a flight that we all take for granted, is too excessive. A Palestinian depending on where he works could have somewhere between 3-5hrs commute depending on the numbe…

> Palestinian controlled zones (C) where you can’t even go if you look white as you genuinely risk your lives.

As a blonde guy that spend a lot of time living in area C, going to restaurants, cultural events and even getting salsa lessons, I can't relate to that remark at all. Have you tried it?

In fact AFAIK the PA police has barely any jurisdiction over non-palestinians, they are only allowed to arrest them and wait for Israeli authorities to pick them up.

I've never felt threatened there except for when the Israeli forces or settlers invaded.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by hackerlight »

pydry wrote: post #166
hackerlight wrote: post #132

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> The guy who beat up a Jew in London screamed "fuck Jews" while he did it > There is close to no overlap between these people and the people who take pains to explain for the 15th time to a likely racist skeptic that they dont hate jews it's the state of israel they have a problem with. Yes, those specific anti-Zionists aren't anti-semites. These are the types of anti-Zionists that you'll find in tech circles who ar…

>Yes, those specific anti-Zionists aren't anti-semites. These are the types of anti-Zionists that you'll find in tech circles who are educated, egalitarian minded people that are cognitively capable of separating the crimes of a state and the ethnic group inside it. Israel hates these people the most. It's not hard to see why. Random people who attack Jews arent a threat - they get condemned and sent to prison quickl…

> staunchly avoided condemning the publicly stated highly racist views of the President of Israel after I raised them.

This is irrelevant to the question being discussed which is whether anti-Zionism is correlated with anti-semitism. However, I did look up his statements now and yes it appears he is indeed some kind of racist. That's still besides the point.

> very clear anti-zionism correlation to committed anti-racism

Yes, that correlation also exists. That's not at all mutually exclusive with a correlation between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. As I described above, anti-Zionism is a wide tent with some racist genocidal crackpot conspiracy theorist ethnoreligious nationalists mixed together with true egalitarian anti-racist leftists and liberals.

> One or two nazis holding up a palestinian flag (not somethingk they tend to do a lot) doesnt change that.

Dishonestly euphemistic and you know it.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by yodsanklai »

rayiner wrote: post #68
yodsanklai wrote: post #58

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> It's very very dumb legislation, and I think derives from a very odd facet of belief found in some American Protestant belief systems - that for Jesus to come back, the State of Israel has to exist. I remember reading Bill Clinton's biography. At some point, he mentioned that a pastor told him something along these lines, and that it was an important realisation for him. (I read that years ago, could be slightly wr…

> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

I agree that atheists are irrational and biased too. We can't assume politicians to behave as cold calculators, whether they're atheist or not.

However very religious people are dogmatic (almost by definition). As such, they are less likely to review certain positions based on facts.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by Adverblessly »

pydry wrote: post #84
hackerlight wrote: post #46

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> anti-Zionism is conflated with anti-semitism One reason people say that is perceptions of double standards. They see China get an easier time on their treatment of Uyghurs. Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism. They see photos of someone at an anti-Israel rally giving the roman salute. They see people attacking Jews at random on the street whenever Isr…

>Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism This isnt true at all. The far right, for example, are pretty openly antisemitic. If somebody takes pains to distinguish the two on the other hand they're rarely bullshitting. The converse is true though. Attempts to conflate antizionism and antisemitism by are almost always ultimately driven by a staunch belief in J…

> This is reflected by the views of the President of Israel, who is openly against miscegenation.

Sorry if this is nitpicking, but who are you talking about here? The President of Israel is Isaac Herzog, formerly the leader of the opposition and on the left side of the political map. I'd be highly surprised if he held such opinions.

If you are talking about the Prime Minister (Israel is one of those countries where the Prime Minister has the most power and the President is mostly a ceremonial position, so maybe you got confused due to that?) then the current one is Yair Lapid, which I'd also be highly surprised if he held such opinions.

Maybe the previous one, Naftali Bennett? I guess I could believe that, though I'd love to see exactly what public statements you are referring to.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by o_1 »

crmd wrote: post #159

It is effortless for me to keep my political opinions airgapped from my work environment. While I emphatically believe my political positions are correct, I know that plenty of people don't agree with me on contentious topics. To bring my politics to work, especially as a senior leader, borders on abuse of power, because my role in the organization would confer unearned authority to my political opinions. I learned t…

You'll always be at the behest of a system of power in any Job. Optimizing some minscule political opinion space will only be temporary. If you believe you're voice is "correct" you will have unilateral bias towards anyone who opposes it. You might start become your prior bosses. If you want an open discussion start with the premise you might not always be correct. Listening to people traveled different journies make you understand the world and have empathy for opposing positions. You don't have to agree with someone to respect them. Also I agree suffering the feeling of suppression and silence is frustrating.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by kurupt213 »

npc54321 wrote: post #130
golergka wrote: post #123

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Good thing that it doesn't. Palestine became a country with thanks to Israel and Oslo Accords for the first time in history.

Cant they just stop killing each other? I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land" I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews" Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.

That’s a big ask. How disproportionate do you think the US response would be to people launching rockets into our country? My guess is that we would kill the majority of them. I don’t think it’s fair to ask Israel to sit on their hands while they are attacked.

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Post by compsciphd »

LtWorf wrote: post #104
bww wrote: post #85

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It's worth pointing out that retaliation, itself, is not illegal or even necessarily morally dubious. If a company were to retaliate against an employee for stealing by firing them no reasonable person would find fault with that. Only retaliation for a protected activity is illegal. Is interfering with or undermining the company's business prospects in service of a political opinion a protected activity? I don't know…

Should you choose between holding a political view or having a job?

Such as Brendan Eich being forced out (retaliated against?) for views that were not expressed within the business only outside of it?

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by sofixa »

kurupt213 wrote: post #186
npc54321 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cant they just stop killing each other? I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land" I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews" Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.

That’s a big ask. How disproportionate do you think the US response would be to people launching rockets into our country? My guess is that we would kill the majority of them. I don’t think it’s fair to ask Israel to sit on their hands while they are attacked.

If Native Americans being put into reservations against their will, being evicted from their homes, being treated as second class people, were launching rockets at US civilians, the US would retaliate, sure. But both parties would be in the wrong, same as Israel/Palestine.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by Adverblessly »

npc54321 wrote: post #130
golergka wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing that it doesn't. Palestine became a country with thanks to Israel and Oslo Accords for the first time in history.

Cant they just stop killing each other? I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land" I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews" Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.

> Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez.

Both sides think the land belongs to them as both sides inhabited the same land for hundreds* of years. Which side is doing the grabbing then turns into a judgement call.

* - Going by Wikipedia, Muslims Arabs since ~600CE and some form of Israelis since ~1200BCE.

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