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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by vinceguidry »

crmd wrote: post #159

It is effortless for me to keep my political opinions airgapped from my work environment. While I emphatically believe my political positions are correct, I know that plenty of people don't agree with me on contentious topics. To bring my politics to work, especially as a senior leader, borders on abuse of power, because my role in the organization would confer unearned authority to my political opinions. I learned t…

Political heft belongs to those who talk the loudest and organize the most effectively. Unstated political opinions do neither.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by LegitShady »

guelo wrote: post #13
atemerev wrote: post #6

“In her statement, Koren also singled out “Jewglers,” a forum for Jewish Google employees, for not accommodating Jews who hold anti-Zionist views.” Zionism is the belief that Israel has the right to exist, and that Jews have the right to live in Israel. If you are against this, your views are quite extremist and it is hard to find understanding and accommodation, particularly among fellow Jews.

Zionism is an anti-democratic, explicitly racist belief that only Jews should have governing power over all land west of the jordan river.

How many jews are allowed in palestine, vs how many arabs in israel? Who is more racist is clear to see by the actual actions taken. Jews can't live in arab areas, while ~20% of israel is arab. The racists are plain to see. Arab ethno-nationalism is somehow not part of the conversation, just 'anti zionism', while the arabs keep the jews out by violence.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by johnchristopher »

throwaway09223 wrote: post #150
johnchristopher wrote: post #108

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> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies. Ahem. > In the winter of 2003, when George Bush and Tony Blair were frantically gathering support for their planned invasion, Professor Thomas Römer, an Old Testament expert at the university of Lausanne, was rung up by the Protestant Federation of France. [..] President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell Pre…

This guardian article is demonstrable nonsense. Professor Römer is either ignorant, or is intentionally gaslighting Bush. Gog and Magog are well-known figures mentioned in both the Hebrew Bible and the Quran. Playing dumb because it's not also in the Old Testament is not a good look for someone who's supposedly an expert. This article is a silly hit piece written to fool people who are totally ignorant of religious h…

> This guardian article is demonstrable nonsense. Professor Römer is either ignorant, or is intentionally gaslighting Bush.

Surely you meant gaslighting Chirac ? (which I disagree with, anyway).

> Gog and Magog are well-known figures mentioned in both the Hebrew Bible and the Quran. Playing dumb because it's not also in the Old Testament is not a good look for someone who's supposedly an expert.

Good thing he's an old testament expert and not a Hebrew bible or quran one then. You think Bush was referring to the Gog and Magog from the Hebrew bible or from the Quran or from the old testament ? Should have called an Hebrew or an Islam expert instead of an protestand Old Testament expert ?

Here's a different report of how things happened: https://wp.unil.ch/allezsavoir/george-bush-et-le-code-ezechi... and that might shed a light on why you think Gog and Magog is not as well known in France as you seem to think they are.

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Post by andrewprock »

h3rsko wrote: post #153
dfadsadsf wrote: post #146

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I am glad that you support Ireland taking over most of Europe as Celts used to live all over France and beyond.

"taking over most of Europe as Celts used to live all over France and beyond." If historically it had belonged to the Celts, and all the land had been called Ireland since antiquity, and was currently controlled by Ireland and all the citizens considered themselves Irish then yes, Ireland should control most of Europe.

That's quite a parlay of arbitrary requirements.

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Post by edanm »

numeromancer wrote: post #162
jollofricepeas wrote: post #72

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Whoa, I strongly disagree with this. As someone who attended an evangelical, fundamentalist Baptist church as a child (Hyles Anderson), it is very much their view as well as larger groups like Independent and Southern Baptists (the largest Protestant denomination in the United States) that the existence of the nation of Israel and support for it is a precursor for the second coming of Jesus and the fulfillment of God…

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I don't mean to be rude, but this sounds fairly anti-semitic. "It doesn't matter about what all the Christian groups think, what matters is that the Zionists [implied to be Jews?] are buying the legislation".

This might definitely not be your intent - but that is for sure how I am currently parsing your comment.

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Post by miedpo »

johnchristopher wrote: post #170
miedpo wrote: post #163

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I would imagine President Bush was referring to the prophecy in Revelations 20:7-9. Basically in this case, it means nations who are an enemy to the people of God... not so much crazy talk imho, considering that nations really like to fight each other these days.

I'd say it's crazy talk when you are using that as an argument (among others, of course) to convince a french president (whose country has a clearer separation between state and church than the US) to go to war.

That's fairer.

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Post by golergka »

ethotool wrote: post #154
golergka wrote: post #126

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> racist ideology Israel has a right to exist as a nation state just like any other country in the world. This belief is not racist, and any decent person on Earth should be a Zionist by definition, just as he should support all other nation's rights to self-determination and freedom. Anti-zionism, on the other hand, denies jewish people this right, and is inherently a deeply racist and oppresive ideology.

Sounds to me that you are very much anti-Palestinian. When Zionists say the land of Israel is for Jews only that’s racist, especially since it’s built on confiscated Palestinian lands with a full blown military occupation that’s ongoing. When that’s justified by people such as yourself then it becomes a racist ideology.

> Palestinian lands

There's very intentional ambiguity in this wording, which obfuscates the reality. “Palestine” was a historical name given to this land after suppression of Jewish revolt, but there has been no state or nation of “Palestine” and no people who have been calling themselves “palestinians” — until Jews started building themselves a home in a sparsely populated and underdeveloped corner of Ottoman empire in the late 19th century. Then, and until late 1960s, the word Palestine became synonymous with “Jewish Zionist state”, and word “Palestinian” only meant one thing: Israeli jew.

Only after the 6 day war, when surrounding Arab states realised that they can't destroy Israel, “Palestinian” national project was born and this word started meaning something different. Some could argue that this means that Palestinian nation is made up, but IMO that's okay: all nations are made up, some are just later than others. However, I can't understand how anyone can say that Israel can be built on “palestinian” land when the whole concept of “Palestine” as “Arab nation” is 20 years younger than Israel.

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Post by shakna »

andsoitis wrote: post #142
shakna wrote: post #44

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Whilst I've definitely got the impression, that _most_ people think of it as a shared heritage, I have now and then had a few people quoting the same prophecy from Zechariah as their reasoning. > And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it - Zechariah 12:…

> for the return of God to occur, the existence of Jerusalem is a pre-requisite. isn't it amusing how humans think their deity isn't powerful enough so they have to make things possible for him?

This is less a case of "powerful enough" and more that Christianity upholds that God is changeable, and expects people to _act_ and not merely trust that he will do everything for him. (Certain prosperity sects excluded.)

There are several times when significant figures such as Moses, David, Jeremiah, and so on, negotiate a new outcome with their God. There are also other times that their God refuses to act, because the faithless have fallen away.

They "wandered around in the desert", a rather small patch of desert, mind you, because of a lack of faith. The 40-ish years in the desert, to age out those who failed in their duty, rather than to enter into their "Promised Land". Moses was also forbidden from entering Cana'an, because he tried to act on his own, instead of in tandem with his god.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by [deleted] »

hourago wrote: post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by edanm »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #161
aqme28 wrote: post #148

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> Palastinians vs Israelis (or Jews in general Please don't conflate Judaism with Israel. As a Jew against zionism, I have many Palestinian friends and have never experienced any issues. It's a very pernicious and bothersome conflation.

The irony is, that by now the palestinians could be rich, if they would have poured all in education and becoming basically a programming offshore nation for israel. You can not destroy code and if you are industrious, you can IP buyout even your enemies. Singapor comes to mind. But for the traditional players, eternal conflict is the bread and butter buisness. So here we are.

I think that's being very optimistic. The Palestinians are living in pretty bad conditions, overall. While there have been many efforts to integrate Palestinian programmers into Israeli companies, it's a very uphill battle for all sorts of reasons.

I'm not saying the Palestinians (or at least some of their leaders) haven't done a bunch of stupid stuff, including putting money into terrorism instead of investing it in the community. I'm just not sure that had they acted very differently, the situation would for sure be better for them.

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