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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by paxys »

hourago wrote: post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

Legally speaking, "retaliation" can only occur if your employer treats you less favorably after you report discriminatory practices.

The company is allowed to treat you less favorably or even fire you for any other (non-protected) reason, including your general opinions. In this case, protesting a deal with Israel is an opinion not a protected action, so there's really no question of retaliation.

If I disagree (whether publicly or privately) with my company's product strategy or who they choose to do business with, they are absolutely allowed to fire me.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by sfvegandude »

nailer wrote: post #106
kajecounterhack wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They found the treatment of Palestine by Israel to be the morally reprehensible thing -- not specifically data collection itself but weaponized data for enacting a system of oppression.

Wouldn’t you want to track a nearby territory ran by leaders that publicly call for your destruction?

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by h3rsko »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #146
nailer wrote: post #112

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Israel has offered the Palestinians statehood multiple times, as well as offering it to Jordan to run. If you think Jewish people don’t deserve to live somewhere where Jewish people have always lived, but think French people are allowed to live in France, then you may hate Jews. You use the term 'apartheid state' as if Israel not supporting Palestianians is a racial decision against Arabs. In what apartheid state can…

I am glad that you support Ireland taking over most of Europe as Celts used to live all over France and beyond.

"taking over most of Europe as Celts used to live all over France and beyond."

If historically it had belonged to the Celts, and all the land had been called Ireland since antiquity, and was currently controlled by Ireland and all the citizens considered themselves Irish then yes, Ireland should control most of Europe.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by ethotool »

golergka wrote: post #126
ethotool wrote: post #116

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> racist ideology Israel has a right to exist as a nation state just like any other country in the world. This belief is not racist, and any decent person on Earth should be a Zionist by definition, just as he should support all other nation's rights to self-determination and freedom. Anti-zionism, on the other hand, denies jewish people this right, and is inherently a deeply racist and oppresive ideology.

Sounds to me that you are very much anti-Palestinian. When Zionists say the land of Israel is for Jews only that’s racist, especially since it’s built on confiscated Palestinian lands with a full blown military occupation that’s ongoing. When that’s justified by people such as yourself then it becomes a racist ideology.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by ceejayoz »

golergka wrote: post #123
sofixa wrote: post #75

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It absolutely does. It doesn't deserve to deny the existence of another country, Palestine, though.

Good thing that it doesn't. Palestine became a country with thanks to Israel and Oslo Accords for the first time in history.

Most of the developed world doesn't recognize Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by pydry »

nailer wrote: post #141
pydry wrote: post #101

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The guy who beat up a Jew in London screamed "fuck Jews" while he did it. Not shy about his views - like most of your other examples no doubt. There is close to no overlap between these people and the people who take pains to explain for the 15th time to a likely racist skeptic that they dont hate jews it's the state of israel they have a problem with. On the other hand, ive yet to hear a single person who purposeful…

I'm not sure how familiar with the UK you are. The left recently chose as a leader a man who claimed he was friends with Hamas and Hezbollah. The people who claim 'anti-zionism isn't antisemitism' are his voters. Edit reply due to rate limit: Corbyn also laid a wreath for one of the terrorists, presumably also in the pursuit of peace. Oddly Corbyn also advocated for the IRA and claims that was about peace too, but th…

It's called diplomacy. He was engaged in peace negotiations when he called those people friends (he has since said that he probably shouldnt have said it).

It clearly wasnt racism that motivated him to say "friends" it was obviously a desire for peace. Most of his more intelligent detractors understood the context but were avowedly pro war - for them that actually made it worse.

Isaac Herzog's abhorrent views had no such excuse, he doubled down on them and yet British centrists demonstrate pretty much unconditional support for him.

A contingent from the UK Labour party even visited him to apologize in person for the other guy's "antisemitism". In the process of apologizing for somebody who wasnt a racist, they were sucking up to somebody who was. They werent looking for peace when they did that though, only approval.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by Aunche »

hourago wrote: post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

If you read her account on Medium, it's clear that she wasn't retaliated against. Google sided with her and determined her manager to be wrong for relocating her, so the subtext is that she manages to keep her position. However, she still considers it retaliation because Google didn't determine it to be retaliation.

If I were Google I'd fire her for abusing disability leave. She clearly was fit enough to keep up with and protest Google's development in Israel and appear on TV. Meanwhile, she didn't make a single effort to keep up with her team.

https://medium.com/@arielkoren/googles-complicity-in-israeli...

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by crmd »

It is effortless for me to keep my political opinions airgapped from my work environment. While I emphatically believe my political positions are correct, I know that plenty of people don't agree with me on contentious topics. To bring my politics to work, especially as a senior leader, borders on abuse of power, because my role in the organization would confer unearned authority to my political opinions.

I learned this early in my career when I discovered that my company's senior management were all members of an ultra-conservative Catholic sect. I remember censoring myself as a young person because I knew many of my opinions were not aligned with the values and culture of the management team. I"ll never forget how that made me feel, and I hope I never make a young colleague feel the way I did.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by a_brawling_boo »

johnchristopher wrote: post #108
yodsanklai wrote: post #58

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> It's very very dumb legislation, and I think derives from a very odd facet of belief found in some American Protestant belief systems - that for Jesus to come back, the State of Israel has to exist. I remember reading Bill Clinton's biography. At some point, he mentioned that a pastor told him something along these lines, and that it was an important realisation for him. (I read that years ago, could be slightly wr…

> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies. Ahem. > In the winter of 2003, when George Bush and Tony Blair were frantically gathering support for their planned invasion, Professor Thomas Römer, an Old Testament expert at the university of Lausanne, was rung up by the Protestant Federation of France. [..] President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell Pre…

I'm not saying Bush didn't say that because I don't know, I can believe it. But it seems odd because 1) Gog and Magog are a somewhat well know part of Islamic eschatology, and 2) I pretty sure Google existed at that point in time, but without it I am sure his staff had access to dictionaries and encyclopedias which would have led them to 3) Encyclopedia or web entries on Darbyism or Dispensationalism, easily answering their questions.

France's Ministry of Foreign affairs isn't advising the President on things like this, they don't have subject matter experts? Forgive me, maybe I give governments too much credit or, but seems like an odd article.

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