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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by dontlaugh »

unmole wrote: post #352
speeder wrote: post #269

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Kinda yes. To start, why Taiwan exists? Its roots are related to how China became a republic in first place, when the Emperor was booted from power, China quickly became the land of warlordism, with generals treating their subordinates as personal army, and each warlord promoting a different ideology. Although officially in history books people separate the period as many smaller civil wars, the fact is that China is…

> Kuomingtang still exists, and their supporters among Taiwan's population believe they should prepare and then fight back, and win the civil war, wipe communist party out of the face of the earth, and re-take mainland China. This is a rather outdated caricature. If anything, Kuomintang is now seen as being too soft on the PRC. Of course, the KMT is not a homogeneous blob and there are diverse viewpoints vis-a-vis Cr…

For sure.

The majority wish is peaceful reunification, with a small (but growing) wish for independence.

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Post by stackbutterflow »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #364
butterfly771 wrote: post #273

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As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?

"Protect Taiwan" isn't the core issue is it? It's the production of chips which is the rate of technological growth and mantel of "technological supremacy."

It is the core issue.

The importance of TSMC has been vastly exaggerated. In case of war their factories would be destroyed anyway. Remove TSMC and the importance of Taiwan remains exactly the same.

If the USA doesn't protect Taiwan it'll be their Suez canal moment. The moment the British and the French realized they were not great powers anymore.

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Post by NLPlatypus »

minusSeven wrote: post #484

So what exactly is the use of GPUs like A100 apart from in mining cryptocurrencies ? Also isn't mining cryptos banned in China? Am I missing something?

The A100 isn’t a miner. It trains machine learning models. It’s being replaced by the H100 shortly, which is part of the ban, too.

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Post by melenaboija »

Sabinus wrote: post #489
g42gregory wrote: post #366

I am not sure what exactly the thought process is here? So NVIDA is losing Chinese market, probably for the foreseeable future. Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway, if not already. They will not trust us again. It makes them less dependent on us. Oh, and we still need their manufacturing because of the labor costs, environmental issues, regulations and now, energy costs. How would this…

>Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway Even if they do they are far away from fabrication. >They will not trust us again. China already massively distrusts the West. America tried the Japanese economic model with China (allow your factories to be exported there, remove trade barriers) and it didn't get them very far.

> Even if they do they are far away from fabrication.

Where do you think most of the electronics is manufactured?

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Post by stackbutterflow »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #405
butterfly771 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?

>is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan? A majority of Americans support defending Taiwan from Chinese invasion. How much are the Chinese people willing to pay to attempt the largest amphibious invasion since D-Day while being starved of oil and international trade?

Most are indoctrinated. They do not understand the consequences of such a war on their country.

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Post by slavik81 »

zerohp wrote: post #409
sigmoid10 wrote: post #407

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I'll eat a hat if any major league manager in the US who could decide this ever goes to prison. To be clear, I'd celebrate it, but the mortgage crisis showed that laws and punishment hardly work on top level execs.

Exactly. It would get pinned on some poor engineer just like the Volkswagen diesel stuff. That’s why an individual contributor should not take part in it. It’s better to get a different job.

Oliver Schmidt had an engineering degree, but he was a Volkswagen AG executive and was the manager of the Volkswagen emissions office in Michigan.

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Post by iszomer »

obblekk wrote: post #146

This doesn't just ban A100s. It bans those and "any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100." It's a ceiling on the performance that can be exported. In an exponentially scaling industry, this is the equivalent of an announcement in advance of a complete ban on competitive products 2-3…

No surprise. I imagine they'll just buy older and/or more stable stock.

Worked on a three 50U rack recently with quad T4's per 2U and we're not even through 10% of that order yet.

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Post by DocTomoe »

KronisLV wrote: post #393
shotta wrote: post #230

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Reminds me of an old Apple ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoxvLq0dFvw

I wonder how they could have said: "As for Pentium PCs... well, they're harmless." without that resulting in lawsuits. Somehow I feel that in our world the majority of corporations don't make direct comparisons to their competitors that often, preferring to use "competing brands" or something of that variety instead.

Avoiding a lawsuit is easy in that case: The Intel lawyer would have to make the argument that Pentium PCs are, in fact, harmful. Which would have opened a whole new can of worms.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

cpursley wrote: post #483
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #87

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It would take them years to acquire the GPUs at the scale that they need them. By the time they do that they're 2 generations behind. It's about adding a barrier.

I literally know people who fly into Russia with entire disassembled gaming rigs in their suitcases (and do their best to avoid customs) from Turkey, etc. I'm sure if the Russian government needed these, they'd set up an operation to let them through. Russia is not as closed off as people seem to imagine.

This is about A100 and H100 GPUs which are for datacenters. To put how many an adversary would need into perspective- Frontier uses 37,888 GPUs.
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