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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by wsc981 »

chaosbolt wrote: post #224
wsc981 wrote: post #92

Regarding excess deaths, Dr. John Campbell has an interesting video on the subject [0], mainly regarding Scotland but he talks about other countries as well. Of course, as excess deaths increase, average life expectancy will reduce. Seems many countries have seen a big increase in excess deaths, but thus far the cause is unknown. These 'cause unknown' excess deaths are not attributed to COVID, as COVID deaths are a s…

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The problem is that free speech is kind of gone from the internet, now that internet is for a large part social media and the biggest social media companies are closely aligned with governments.

Free speech has been deemed dangerous now. Hence all the 'Russian fake news' lies we've been bombarded with in recent years.

And it's quite visible in another recent video by Dr. John Campbell. Now please note, from the start of the pandemic, Dr. John Campbell was a proponent of the mRNA vaccines.

But in a recent video [0] on changes by the CDC and it's UK equivalent regarding COVID vaccine recommendations for pregnant & breastfeeding woman, it's quite clear (to me) that he indirectly criticises the censorship on YouTube.

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[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po3GMgee-vc

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by soulofmischief »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #107
californical wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, we can start to treat city planning as a healthcare issue. Limit zoning restrictions that currently make driving everywhere the most convenient choice, stop all freeway expansion projects, and make as many walkable, bikeable, friendly neighborhoods as possible. If people want/need to go outside and walk or bike to accomplish their daily chores, they won’t need to think about exercise as much because it’ll ju…

People will literally rezone entire cities rather than saying we need to eat less food and workout more.

I think you should really think about the connection between public infrastructure and public lifestyle choices. If you think that infrastructure cannot both positively and negatively affect its populace then I'd find that a very interesting opinion on a board of primarily engineers.

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Post by tomp »

kredd wrote: post #135
remarkEon wrote: post #54

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>Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. And this right here is my problem. Healthcare doesn't only begin when you get to the doctor or the hospital. There's no reason that healthcare officials/leaders/experts/whatever can't recommend baseline levels of fitness for Americans, and provide help for getting to that standard. I don't know, maybe Healthcare plans should include subsidies…

From what I’ve observed, even with free gym and advice, most of people will still ignore it. It’s simply not convenient, especially for people who haven’t gotten into a routine. I live in an extremely walkable neighbourhood of a fairly dense city, and honestly speaking, and just walking around to do my daily chores already helps with casual fitness. I do bike, swim and lift, but mostly for “fun” rather than for healt…

> From what I’ve observed, even with free gym and advice, most of people will still ignore it. It’s simply not convenient, especially for people who haven’t gotten into a routine.

Maybe we should consider stronger incentives.

Such as “exercise passports”, you can’t enter public spaces unless you did 30 minutes of exercise that day. Would solve the problem very quickly.

Or obesity tax is another practical idea.

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Post by aembleton »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

I've never been in a room with an elephant. Is this soemthing that happens to you a lot?

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Post by MagnumOpus »

strken wrote: post #198
acdha wrote: post #70

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It’s lifestyle: Americans lead the world in both obesity and car centric lifestyles, and we have a ton of reinforcing factors – suburbs designed around cars are unpleasant/unsafe to be active in, people eat unhealthy food because it’s cheap (cars and suburbs are both more expensive) and something they can eat in the car or pickup on the way home, kids are prevented from exercising because there are few safe places in…

What proof do you have that it's lifestyle? My opinion is loosely based on http://achemicalhunger.com/ , specifically the papers that found wild animals are getting fat, and the timing. The things you say are all true, but they were also true to a lesser extent in the 60s, when Americans were much less obese than they are now. They're also not true for wild animals.

> What proof do you have that it's lifestyle

International comparison. Countries with just as bad chemical/microplastic/PFAS contamination, be it France or China or Japan have far fewer obese people. Coincidentally they also have less car-centric lifestyles.

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Post by tommit »

chaosbolt wrote: post #224
wsc981 wrote: post #92

Regarding excess deaths, Dr. John Campbell has an interesting video on the subject [0], mainly regarding Scotland but he talks about other countries as well. Of course, as excess deaths increase, average life expectancy will reduce. Seems many countries have seen a big increase in excess deaths, but thus far the cause is unknown. These 'cause unknown' excess deaths are not attributed to COVID, as COVID deaths are a s…

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I honestly have no clue what you're hinting at but the way you put yourself in a "misunderstood victim" role in a precautionary way makes me not want to know.

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Post by seper8 »

remarkEon wrote: post #22
eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Hear, hear. One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications - not to mention the additional burden on the health care system itself when they get sick. I fully acknowledge that it's a difficult subject, it upsets people, and it's uncomfortable. The greatest healthcare adv…

Guess politicians are afraid of scaring away their voter base by telling them to lose weight

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

californical wrote: post #111
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will literally rezone entire cities rather than saying we need to eat less food and workout more.

My point was that making it a personal choice seems to be failing us. We’ve been telling people to do that for decades, and they’re not — make it a societal choice so that it’s individuals are automatically enrolled in a system that promotes their health rather than forcing them to sit in a car seat for hours per week

When you say "we've been telling people to do that for decades" I'm assuming you're referring to the accumulated scientific wisdom that says eating healthily and getting exercise is good for your health, and not the trillions of dollars spent advertising addictive sugar water, alchohol, cigarettes, sugar coated cereals for kids, subsidized beef and corn syrup and attacking every health recommendation as lies if it threatened someones profits?

It might actually be worth telling people to eat healthily and excercise as a consistent message before we abandon the idea.

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Post by mercy_dude »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

That’s an interesting point, I wonder how much of obesity is contributing factor to consuming fast food such as cola or sodas and burgers etc. because McDonalds were around even in the 70s. Or perhaps the obesity is propagating through genetic changes passed on from people who started consuming fast food at mass scale only after a generation or two?

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Post by LoveMortuus »

midoridensha wrote: post #45
remarkEon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear, hear. One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications - not to mention the additional burden on the health care system itself when they get sick. I fully acknowledge that it's a difficult subject, it upsets people, and it's uncomfortable. The greatest healthcare adv…

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

They could also try obesity tax, where you're taxed more of you're obese.
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