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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by anchochilis »

nu11ptr wrote: post #116
eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

It's worse than that: we are celebrating it Now I'm not saying we need to shame anyone, but saying "healthy at any size" is a terrible lie and in the long term helps no one.

"Healthy at any size" does not literally mean "obese people are as healthy as thin people."

I recommend reading the book, the entire point of which is about shifting one's health efforts from an exclusive focus on weight to a more holistic view.

I.e. even if you can't drop that last 20 pounds (and many people struggle to do so, especially as they age), you should still eat a healthy diet, exercise, limit alcohol intake and avoid smoking.

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

remarkEon wrote: post #54
midoridensha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

>Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. And this right here is my problem. Healthcare doesn't only begin when you get to the doctor or the hospital. There's no reason that healthcare officials/leaders/experts/whatever can't recommend baseline levels of fitness for Americans, and provide help for getting to that standard. I don't know, maybe Healthcare plans should include subsidies…

> I don't know, maybe Healthcare plans should include subsidies for gym memberships by law.

I can only imagine the level of added bureaucracy , certifications for gyms to qualify, and spiraling prices for gym users without healthcare plans through white collar salaried jobs. Just look at health care costs over the past 50 years as lengthier and lengthier laws have been passed in the hopes of shifting incentives and otherwise tweaking the system.

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Post by orwin »

losteric wrote: post #37
jldugger wrote: post #16

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The good news is that maybe we got it backwards, in at least some of the cases[1]: > Higher fasting insulin and higher c-reactive protein confound the association between BMI and the risk of all-cause mortality. The increase in mortality that has been attributed to higher BMI is more likely due to hyperinsulinemia and inflammation rather than obesity. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41366-022-01211-2

> The increase in mortality that has been attributed to higher BMI is more likely due to hyperinsulinemia and inflammation rather than obesity Not sure I understand this sentencen. Are they saying hyperinsulinemia and inflammation are independent of obesity? Both symptoms of ?

What i understood (this is quite new and i haven't had time to research this): Some nutritionists and medical practitioner think that most obesity (the >35BMI kind) are caused by hormones (some gland inflammation, like i said i didn't researched this) or prediabetes. Hence why European immigrants are not hit the same as natives in the US, as phylogenetic have quite an impact on hormones production.

This was an old theory and some recent research proved that at least it needs to be investigated more seriously.

In general hormones effect on human development, while being quite an active field, seems to be still underfunded or at least more ignored than it should be.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

chaosbolt wrote: post #224
wsc981 wrote: post #92

Regarding excess deaths, Dr. John Campbell has an interesting video on the subject [0], mainly regarding Scotland but he talks about other countries as well. Of course, as excess deaths increase, average life expectancy will reduce. Seems many countries have seen a big increase in excess deaths, but thus far the cause is unknown. These 'cause unknown' excess deaths are not attributed to COVID, as COVID deaths are a s…

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Do you mean vaccines?

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Post by C4stor »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #69
peter422 wrote: post #47

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Did anybody ever die unexpectedly before 2019?

Apparently not at the same rate. In the UK, ages 1-59 year olds are dying at almost twice the rate if vaccinated than not. The forth chart from the top "ages 10-59" https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/what-do-uk-data-say-a... This site is very pro vaccine, but even here they have to do a lot of hand waving to try and explain it away. And Suddenly everything is fuzzy, they can't quite put the two together. Which is…

Here's a conclusion that you can also take from the same article :

"In the UK, ages 1-59 year olds are dying at almost eight time the rate if they don't have any baby tooth left and don't absurdly love dinosaurs".

The fact that people have to actually write the whole data analysis down is mind boggling, because it's so trivial to understand the reason.

Still, this is the conclusion : "Thus, the results we see in the actual UK all-cause deaths for fully vaccinated and unvaccinated is not unexpected, and can be fully explained by the Simpson's paradox artifact since the observed ratio of vaccinated:unvaccinated all cause death rates, 1.82x in week 30, is less than the expected background ratio of 2.41x based on their disparate age distributions."

That's not "a lot of hand waving to try and explain it away". They do a very methodical and sensible mathematical analysis of the data at hand, including the initial data point, to explain a very simple thing : people tend to die older overall, and older dying people tend to vaccinate more.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

godelski wrote: post #227
midoridensha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

> and start walking everywhere instead of driving. This sounds nice until you actually look at most of America. Cities are designed around cars. I'm in a rather walkable city and the nearest grocery store is a mile away. That's not too bad, but other places I've lived it is 5+. Buses are bad (hour+ between pickups) or non-existent. It gets difficult to do all kinds of chores, visit the doctor or whatever. Even using…

You can walk/bike/bus to a store and then order uber back to carry all the bags.

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Post by tallanvor »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Obesity can be an indicator of health, but I'd be careful about drawing the conclusion that obese people are dying at higher rates simply due to their weight.

Being physically active looks to be more important than losing weight: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41366-022-01209-w

When it comes to Covid, I'd bet on a physically active obese person having a better chance at survival over healthier looking people who aren't active, smoke, etc.

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Post by vandreas2 »

anchochilis wrote: post #213
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #107

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People will literally rezone entire cities rather than saying we need to eat less food and workout more.

On the contrary, people have been saying we need to eat less food and work out more for decades. The "just educate people and they'll make better choices" approach has not worked.

Has worked for me. I find the UK food labels on most products quite informative as a rule of thumb. I remember initially being very surprised at some food contains when I started paying attention and how very small things like Mars bars can have so many calories comparatively of course. I think there's something sinister about not wanting the consumer to know what your product contains.

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Post by marginalia_nu »

knicholes wrote: post #67
decremental wrote: post #49

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Cutting out the booze is huge. A lot of people underestimate just how much weight you can put on from drinking.

Protein & carbohydrates: 4C/g. Alcohol: 7C/g. Fat: 9C/g.

Satiety is much more important than energy density.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by marginalia_nu »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

If you want to see how ridiculously bad it's gotten, look up footage from streets and malls in the '70s and '80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmWTHCHHzZY

It's like not that there are fewer overweight people, they're virtually impossible to find. Today I feel like almost anywhere you look there are people with such problems it's affecting their gait.

I don't think it's constructive to blame the people that have gotten fatter. It really doesn't add up that all these hundreds of millions of people collectively at the same time lost their resolve and and willpower. Seems far more convincing if there are environmental factors at play.

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