Live data from Hacker News

Mikhail Gorbachev has died

reuters.com

941–950 of 971 posts

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#941

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Instead NATO kept expanding east... You mean Eastern countries wanted to join NATO.

Not how it works. NATO is invite only.

So is Ivy League for the rest of the world. That doesn’t stop millions from wanting to join it.

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#942
post #933
post #869

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideologies don't simply cease to exist the day the war is over.

Of course not, but they lose their power in the imagination of the people when the people realise they had been lied to.

> when the people realise they had been lied to

Eagerly awaiting that occurrence...

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#943
post #923
post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general I agree, but the key point is that that is only true until either those basic needs are meet or the promise was shown to be a lie.

Look at China, so long as the economy is good the people mostly don't care about communism/politics.

That's very skewed, at the moment yes Chinese people aren't interested in demands, but you can 100% already get a taste that if the ccp doesn't back off / reform certain areas of society people will demand change.

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#944
post #22

The United States didn't do enough to help Russia transition to democracy in the 1990s. There was no "Marshall Plan" after the Cold War like there was after World War II. This was a huge mistake, and we see the consequences now, with Russia having turned back toward totalitarianism and imperialism. Sadly, it seems that Gorbachev's efforts were mostly for naught. But it was courageous at the time to open up the Soviet…

Or May be that was the US master plan all along. I mean when has US ever had a marshal plan? Anyone who has followed US foreign policies after war, there are multiple examples come to sight where they just straight up help the country go into deep chaos so much so that the local people hope they were better off with pre war dictatorship. Look at Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan. I don’t know why anyone would call US a…

Like, when it created the Marshall Plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#945
post #859

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just because there isn't a strict naming convention doesn't mean there isn't a longstanding convention in English-speaking countries of giving wars boring names based on the participants or theatre That is one name that is ascribed to a conflict, but we often have many. The Forgotten War is the Korean War, The Great War is World War 1, The American Civil War had many names. > Picking a ludicrously overblown name li…

> How is it overblown? It's a descriptive title that is certainly controversial, but if you accept that particular viewpoint, it's simply descriptive. Suuuure. Nothing remotely overblown about the sole popular name for conflict involving English speakers with "aggression" or similar being that one. Completely normal name for a war with no propaganda value for Lost Cause mythology, and just coincidental its print usag…

[deleted]

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#946
post #656

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has improved significantly in the last 20 years. But the 90’s were as bad if not worse than in Russia in most places. And Russia was on an upwards trend until the 2010’s as well, e.g. if we look at average income levels the Baltic states only overtook Russia around ~2014. And if we only focus ex-USSR countries, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia seem more like the exceptions than the rule. Basically every single countr…

So, every country that did not do better did worse? Sounds about right.

Well close to 300 million people lived in the USSR. Only 8 million of them lived in the Baltic states.

I still personally think the (mostly) peaceful dissolution of the USSR was probably one the best things that happened in the past 100 years. But transition to capitalism was extremely mismanaged, even in the “successful” countries.

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#947
post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

> This is subtle Russian propaganda > lie spread by the sympathizers of the current regime in Moscow Please respect the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

OK, it wasn't even all that subtle. HTH!

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#948
post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you study geopolitics and history, you might come to the conclusion that Russia was never going to be a democratic ally of the West regardless of how much economic aid they were given. Russia at the end of the cold war had geopolitical imperatives such as a warm water ports, buffer states and desire for Russian hegemony that would have existed regardless of their economic state. They also have a long, long history…

> If you study geopolitics and history Please don't make assumptions about what other people have or haven't studied. > They also have a long, long history of authoritarianism. You could say the same about the Axis powers in WW2.

> Please don't make assumptions about what other people have or haven't studied.

They weren't. Please don't put words in others' mouths.

And quit whining about the guidelines when you're violating them at least as much as anyone else.

Re: Mikhail Gorbachev has died

#950

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stationed troops and machines were not nearly enough to handle the situation, see my sibling comments. You can't suppress protests of several millions with 300k not-so-willing troops and 5000 not-so-good tanks (the Czechoslovaks manufactured their own tanks because of how bad the Soviet manufacturing was). For one thing, the problem is your tanks and troops have to be ready all around the country - the protesting…

> The stationed troops and machines were not nearly enough to handle the situation, see my sibling comments. You can't suppress protests of several millions with 300k not-so-willing troops and 5000 not-so-good tanks I don't know how old you are or where you were at the time. I was there. In the GDR, in East Berlin. On the streets. And I can tell you, a few tanks and troops getting their guns out would have made major…

To expand, it seems to me like he worked to be friendly with the largest European economy while continuing to stomp on the smaller ones who didn't have their West part to look after them. Manipulative and calculating, definitely not good. Thank your West German friends, not Gorbachev.
Post reply on HN