I never heard about A100 and H100 before. Is it a part of marketing? Sounds like it.
They are part of nvidia's profesional offering (rendering, machine learning). They are basically on which every large model has been trained (dall-e 2, GPT3).
US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
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#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
wouldn’t a better strategy be have china depend on those product but require a sorts of built-on remote control in them in case of a conflict.
Yeah sure, bundle a freaking web server in you gpu driver.
Nvidia already has plenty of spyware in their drivers
Edit: I knew this would get downvoted quickly. Hey, mr or ms judge of truth, how about you check what nvidia services run on your machine before wielding all that power.
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#383I am not sure what exactly the thought process is here? So NVIDA is losing Chinese market, probably for the foreseeable future. Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway, if not already. They will not trust us again. It makes them less dependent on us. Oh, and we still need their manufacturing because of the labor costs, environmental issues, regulations and now, energy costs. How would this…
It seems to only make sense if we feel that advanced technology enables a greater threat in the near future...
... or we're governed by morons. Take your pick.
Nice that this comes a month after the Pelosis cleared their NVDA holdings. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
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#384This doesn't just ban A100s. It bans those and "any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100." It's a ceiling on the performance that can be exported. In an exponentially scaling industry, this is the equivalent of an announcement in advance of a complete ban on competitive products 2-3…
The US government has been setting the ceiling on performance that can be exported since the beginning of the computer industry. This is not really new but NVidia was caught by a surprise change in the limits.
a surprise for everyone except Nancy Pelosi’s husband who unwound his Nvidia positions early, avoiding by exposure to this news
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#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mainland China has no current and short-term future capability to manufacture cutting-edge chips of the kind used in these GPUs.
you'd hope people who make these decisions also include some mid and long term thinking. On that time scale any politicization of trade is going to accelerate competitors and incentivize everyone to look towards alternatives. That's basically what's happened in software already. A major reason the US has had sustained influence in the world without using much force is because it has not weaponized trade. It's the rea…
>>> A major reason the US has had sustained influence in the world without using much force is because it has not weaponized trade
Are you sure? All the economic sanctions which the US heaps on "enemy state"s are nothing but weaponizing trade.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am also confused. I understand in times of war or conflict, but this seems like deliberate economic sabotage.
That’s exactly what it is. Chips is one of the few advantages the US has left over China. It would be foolish to help them, we are in the early stages of the second cold war.
More correctly, having Taiwan as an ally is one of the few advantages that US has left over China.
China has already designed datacenter CPUs (Biren) and server CPUs (Alibaba Yitian 710) that are as good as those designed in USA and even better in some respects.
So in chip design, USA and China have very similar capabilities.
However both countries are completely dependent for now on the chip manufacturing made in Taiwan.
The difference is that USA can forbid Taiwan to export products to China, like it was done for Huawei, while China cannot forbid Taiwan to export products to USA (except for a successful invasion).
USA needs to improve its domestic chip manufacturing capabilities if it wants to have a real advantage over China, and the large amount of money allocated through the CHIPS Act should help this, even if there is a large risk that much of the money will not be spent wisely.
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What are you talking about? You don't need to profit to insider trade. Losing 5% is a lot different than losing 50%.
What's the point if you underperform the benchmark? This is just another form of reporting an executive "suddenly sold a bunch of stock" (when they filed a 10b5-1 plan about it months ago).
Losing 5% this year puts you ahead of the S&P500 :D
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Are they? Do you know why China stopped submitting any supercomputers to Top500 despite widespread reports of two exascale supercomputers coming online? And why would they prioritize commercial chip sales over national security projects? AMD and Google have already beat Nvidia at the ML accelerator hardware game in the past. Google TPUs have had the edge over Nvidia cards for a few years, and AMD spent almost a decad…
Your contention is that SMIC is successfully operating a high volume 7nm process... in secret? What potential incentive would they have to do that? This isn't a spy novel; if a company has a money factory they tell their investors about it!
There is no company and yes it's a spy novel.smic and moat tech companies are being subdued and converted into CCP pawns.
Downvoter: Just literally read the news about Jack Ma and BABA and Tencent etc.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US government has been setting the ceiling on performance that can be exported since the beginning of the computer industry. This is not really new but NVidia was caught by a surprise change in the limits.
When was this done previously?
The opposite was of course done when the US sold a ton of Xeon Phi accelerators to China when they built the Tianhe-2 supercomputer.
My favourite conspiracy theory is that this was done deliberately by the US, since Xeon Phi was a large pile of steaming turd, so the Chinese wasted money on a machine with high theoretical FLOPS but crappy real world performance, and also wasted the time of their scientists and programmers who were porting code to a programming paradigm that went nowhere fast.