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Ask HN: What will be the large-scale second-order consequence of AI Art?

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Re: Ask HN: What will be the large-scale second-order consequence of AI Art?

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Post by 2ICofafireteam »

bmitc wrote: post #4

I do not get the fascination with AI "art", unless one is programming and tuning the AI themselves to accomplish some expression. Art is about human expression, and I'm not for sure typing words into a text box to get a picture generated from data is much expression. So from my perspective, I think it's a fad that'll die out or ultimately be abused, just like everything other machine learning toolset out there. But w…

Don't forget the human reaction to "art". It can be a derivative, soulless, and thoughtless but still make people feel and think.

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Post by chenxi9649 »

bmitc wrote: post #4

I do not get the fascination with AI "art", unless one is programming and tuning the AI themselves to accomplish some expression. Art is about human expression, and I'm not for sure typing words into a text box to get a picture generated from data is much expression. So from my perspective, I think it's a fad that'll die out or ultimately be abused, just like everything other machine learning toolset out there. But w…

I think "programming and tuning" will enable a deeper degree of expression, but just because people are not tuning the AI itself doesnt necessarily mean the creation with AI isn't a form of expression.

Ultimately, is "thinking" not simply prompting your own brain with information(often times natural language) and see what the output is and then we fine tune?

Maybe a question to ask is, can you express yourself if you are not creating the canvas/paint brush? Or, is the Lego creation a form of expression if you are not making the Lego pieces!?

Re: Ask HN: What will be the large-scale second-order consequence of AI Art?

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Post by butUhmErm »

mod wrote: post #6
bmitc wrote: post #4

I do not get the fascination with AI "art", unless one is programming and tuning the AI themselves to accomplish some expression. Art is about human expression, and I'm not for sure typing words into a text box to get a picture generated from data is much expression. So from my perspective, I think it's a fad that'll die out or ultimately be abused, just like everything other machine learning toolset out there. But w…

> Art is about human expression It was previously, because we were the only ones capable of it. As a counter-point, it's not hard to imagine aliens creating art. The definition that specifies human origin is now outdated.

And we still are; computers are designed, software is designed.

“AI” as we know it does not exist without humans pushing it forward; romantic notions our inventions are independently sentient depends on ignoring a whole lot.

For the same reason I can choose to not import a religion I can not import the idea these stupid things are “thinking” independently of humans, without justifying it as I don’t have to with religion as well.

All the constraints are defined by us. It’s not magic.

Re: Ask HN: What will be the large-scale second-order consequence of AI Art?

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Post by mod »

butUhmErm wrote: post #13
mod wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Art is about human expression It was previously, because we were the only ones capable of it. As a counter-point, it's not hard to imagine aliens creating art. The definition that specifies human origin is now outdated.

And we still are; computers are designed, software is designed. “AI” as we know it does not exist without humans pushing it forward; romantic notions our inventions are independently sentient depends on ignoring a whole lot. For the same reason I can choose to not import a religion I can not import the idea these stupid things are “thinking” independently of humans, without justifying it as I don’t have to with relig…

I agree it's not magic. I don't think art requires magic.

As a pretty handy example, photographers are considered artists. I took photography pretty seriously at one time, and it's very dear to me, but I will say that I don't think there's very much magic in it.

I don't think the algo is thinking or sentient or anything like that. It's hard to argue that it's not producing art, though.

Tangent: I would also argue humans are designed. I don't mean any mysticism: I think all life is being designed by unthinking processes. As evidence, just look at all the specialist life-forms that are filling a niche that they were...well, designed for.

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Post by ipnon »

egypturnash wrote: post #15

Vague embarrassment ten years on when you look at something from 2023 that’s filled with obvious machine-made art, the same way looking at old rave fliers full of MANDELBROTS!!! feels faintly embarrassing.

Is there a term for this anticipatory future embarrassment? Some kind of German conjunction?

Re: Ask HN: What will be the large-scale second-order consequence of AI Art?

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Post by dqpb »

ipnon wrote: post #17
egypturnash wrote: post #15

Vague embarrassment ten years on when you look at something from 2023 that’s filled with obvious machine-made art, the same way looking at old rave fliers full of MANDELBROTS!!! feels faintly embarrassing.

Is there a term for this anticipatory future embarrassment? Some kind of German conjunction?

How about “prediscomfitation”

Re: Ask HN: What will be the large-scale second-order consequence of AI Art?

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Post by nvln »

I'm surprised by the comments on this topic. The art generated by AI is not the product. AI generation is a tool that artists (and non artists to some extent) can use to take away a lot of the tedium. I think of it as AI assisted art.

My bets on second order consequences:

1. 3D world generation based on prompts

2. Ambient music and sounds

3. Character modeling

4. And yes, interactive storytelling.

Imagine getting these models to a decent enough shape and having a 3D printer hooked.

Speech to Text -> Prompt Validation and Cleanup -> 2D Image -> 3D Models -> Printed Object.

Humans add, correct, guide, direct the vision and AI does the gruntwork all through the pipeline.

I wrote more about this in another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32660252

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