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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Doesn’t obesity put one at greater risk for basically everything? Or is Covid exceptionally harmful to the obese for some reason?

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Less than 3 years longer than Bangladesh.

76.1 is 5 years less than males in Australia (females are another 4 years higher). Life expectancy increased in 2020/2021, as a side-effect of Covid measures, since there wasn't much actual Covid around. It will be interesting to see what happens now that Covid has been let loose.

https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/life-expe...

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Life expectancy is computed as if the model person lived all their life years this year. This means that when e.g. a new communicable disease appears which is more risky the first time one falls ill, its effect on life expectancy is outsized: we sum up the risk from getting that disease _for the first time_ over all years of life. A year later, we sum up delayed effects of getting it for the first time, etc. The article doesn't seem to address that at all.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

You used the word literally four times in your post, and even twice in one sentence.

What's the fascination with this word? It seems to be used to add completely unneeded emphasis, rather than anything resembling its original definition.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

#16

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

The good news is that maybe we got it backwards, in at least some of the cases[1]:

> Higher fasting insulin and higher c-reactive protein confound the association between BMI and the risk of all-cause mortality. The increase in mortality that has been attributed to higher BMI is more likely due to hyperinsulinemia and inflammation rather than obesity.

[1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41366-022-01211-2

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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> The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline. However, increases in the number of people dying from overdoses and accidents is also a significant factor. True statement but it should be the other way around. Deaths by overdoses are much more impactful in terms of life expectancy decline, since they mostly kill younger people.

Careful there; that could lead to a conversation about the cost/benefits of how lockdowns were implemented. Then we'd have to look at how younger generations were sacrificed for the older. Then we might have to talk about how that happens in many areas, from wealth distribution to climate change policy, from environmental policy to corporate accountability. Not to mention the wars. Can't be letting that type of discu…

The US didn't really do lockdowns; there were restrictions, particularly for international travel and to Hawaii, but people weren't confined to their homes as they were in other countries. Even in the more restrictive states you could always go out. But in many countries restrictions were much, much tougher.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Low carb diet helped me with this. Calories in calories out, but if you have a lot of carbs you are going to get hungry when restricting the calories, whereas on a low carb diet I sometimes have to think hard as to whether I have had breakfast or not by 10am. Having woke up at 7am. "Oh I should probably eat something..."

I think I have less than 50g of carbs a day, and probably 1500 calories but I don't track it too closely. I also do strength, but a little each day and make it incidental. I might play with the TRX or do a few pull up or dips at the park while the dogs are off leash.

Something that makes it easier is there are low carb treats and drinks. It does mean taking in more alcohol (as in chemically an alcohol, not ethanol) based sweeteners, so I worry about that a little.

For someone who doesn't go out much this is easy, but in your younger years with social pressure it might take a lot of will power, and even changing your friends and breaking up with partners and so forth to support this kind of habit, since it goes counter to the average person's culture in the west. Especially quitting alcohol too.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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remember during the lockdowns when incidence of cancer diagnoses, heart disease, and other life threatening ailments fell through the floor? I guess those chickens are coming home to roost. The total isolation resulting in depression/drug use, addiction, and overdose may have had a weee bit of an affect too.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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I wonder how the median life expectancy has been changing in the past few years. Using the mean certainly allows for some shock and awe, and certainly serves to scare people (considering how much it is skewed by things like infant mortality, drug epidemics, wars, and most anything else that involves people dying at drastically different ages than the otherwise usual range), but it's always seemed to me that the median would be a more useful number. Indeed, the median has generally been a good few years above the mean, at least in America, though I can't say I've found tracking the data down nearly as easy as with the mean (okay, I tried for like, 7 seconds...but it wasn't in the top few results). Never mind the mode, which is even higher than either.

It'd be nice to see data compiled showing the relation of mean, median, and mode, plotted over time, for life expectancy data. At the very least it'd likely help curb inflation, as people recognize that they're going to need a lot more retirement savings if they're suddenly saving for an extra decade than they were expecting using statistics improperly...

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