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Post by amrocha »

throw_a_grenade wrote: post #653
newman314 wrote: post #576

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This reeks of "both-siding" which is insanely frustrating for me. Look, I get opening a can of worms and "stay out of my business" but at the same time, we need to be able as a society be able to and be unafraid to say when things are clearly bad. "Nazism is bad" EOM That wasn't so hard, was it?

> "Nazism is bad" Yes, it pretty much is. Over here it's against the law to futher it. What's wrong with enshrining this principle in the actual law, that 1) affects the whole society, not just users of one particular corporation, 2) it's enforcement is dispensed by an actual court, not a PR department pushed by a twitter mob?

Whose law? US law? KF operates outside the US. Are you ok with the US government deciding what's allowed on the internet and what isn't? What if the US government believes it's totally ok to murder trans people? Do we have to keep waiting for a law in that case too?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by wahnfrieden »

robryk wrote: post #643
wahnfrieden wrote: post #619

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yes there is a deeper systemic crux to this symptom and it won’t be solved by a business

I'm sorry, i don't see how this answers my question. What do you mean by "this symptom"?

there’s no serious suggestion that cf reform themselves away from their incentives. their negative behavior is a symptom of a wider structural problem

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by [deleted] »

google234123 wrote: post #658
sophacles wrote: post #454

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Imagine thinking this drivel somehow applied to this thread. You shouldn't make new accounts for this sort of thing you know - cowards who hide from perfectly legal doxxing and "investigative journalism" in defense of such "harmless" actions come across as sus. Why should you be ashamed of your opinion - you are entitled to free speech right?

It’s actually relevant since it’s one of the only sites on the web where you can express an opinion like that and not be removed

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by joecool1029 »

NoraCodes wrote: post #373

It's very telling that this post does not mention Cloudflare dropping switter, a social media site by and for sex workers which was, at the time, not violating any laws. They regret dropping self-described Nazis but not legal sex work? Cloudflare has an ideological agenda which they are masking behind supposed neutrality.

> It's very telling that this post does not mention Cloudflare dropping switter, a social media site by and for sex workers which was, at the time, not violating any laws.

Not true, it was dropped in response to SESTA being signed into law less than a week earlier which greatly expanded their legal liability.

Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabling_Sex_Traffickers_...

Reporting: https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/19/17256370/switter-cloudfla...

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by schleck8 »

throwayyy479087 wrote: post #35

Never thought I'd see the Left trying to weaponize corporations to suppress speech they dislike. Reminds me a LOT of Evangelicals in the 2000s - I know that comparison has been made frequently but that's the last group that made a serious censorship push. I wonder how all of this will end? I support CloudFlare here - they should act as a utility, not as an arbiter of content. This ends poorly and one day will bite th…

The irony of using a throwaway account to advocate for a site that doxxes people.

You guys are the ones undermining the legitimacy of freedom of speech by passing doxxing off as merely being an opinion while it in fact surpresses actually bipartisan discussion. Disgusting.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by autoexec »

throwawayacc2 wrote: post #199
rhinoceraptor wrote: post #101

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The site in question is one of the most notorious doxxing and harassment forums, linked to multiple suicides of their victims over the years. I'm not sure what principled political speech you think is being protected here.

Transparency in a society is extremely important. It is a fundamental right to gather and publish information bringing to the publics attention harmful, disturbing and potentially illegal behavior. What principled political speech should be protected you ask? My answer is investigative journalism. If you believe investigative journalism should exist and plays an important function in society, you should have no probl…

KF is not "investigative journalism." It's just a site where people gather to point and laugh at mentally ill people with a web presence. Anything they dig up on someone is in service to that singular goal. There's no reason to pretend that they do what they do for any other reason. Clouflare shouldn't be shutting down websites because of their content, but making fun of mentally ill people is not "an important function in society".

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by amrocha »

throwrqX wrote: post #295
chc wrote: post #256

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I agree, I wish we had a law enforcement apparatus that cared about protecting transgender people. But we don't have a clear path to that at the moment, and in the meantime we want to avoid more people being killed. Thus you have people trying to argue for more informal procedures that revolve around social pressure, telling companies basically "This is obviously way beyond the pale, you should not associate yourself…

What evidence is there for the law enforcement apparatus not protecting transgender people in this particular case? Have their been similar cases for cisgender people where the law enforcement apparatus has cared more? I am not sure saying we need mob action to stop other mob action is a good long term solution.

Jesus Christ dude, there's people dying here and you're arguing over technicalities. The site is still up!! No one's been arrested! You'd rather people keep dying while you argue that both sides are bad, while one side is killing people?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by amrocha »

paganel wrote: post #428
banannaise wrote: post #409

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This assumes that law enforcement is both effective and fair. It is neither. "Police exist, therefore nobody except the police is allowed to do anything about anyone's bad behavior" is a terrible argument.

It is the best argument we can have in a liberal regime. Anything else would lead us directly to tyranny, and not the metaphorical one.

Spoken like someone who has never had to distrust police in their life
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