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Official statement from KF on Aug 26th: > What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where fat eunuchs can groom little boys into castrating themselves and nobody is allowed to say anything about it. Wow very neutral site with no agenda here
Keffals brags about sending hrt to minors without their parent's knowledge.
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I did read the article. I read it twice. Once prior to commenting, once with someone I showed it to. I think you're misinterpreting my comment. I stated this: "but I don't see how KF is defensible whilst 8chan et al aren't" This meant: I don't understand how they can invoke the removal of 8chan and a neo-Nazi site, yet retain KF.
But if they "invoked" the removal of 8chan to say that they shouldn't have done it, I don't understand the relevance. Since you simply changed defended to "invoked," it seems that you're also aware that they aren't defending removing "8chan et al."
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Some users of KiwiFarms may have the agenda of wanting to drive people to commit suicide, you seem to be accusing the website as a whole of a) having an agenda and b) that agenda being to drive people to kill themselves What evidence is there for this? I haven't kept up with the website recently, is Null telling people to harass people to death?
Official statement from KF on Aug 26th: > What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where fat eunuchs can groom little boys into castrating themselves and nobody is allowed to say anything about it. Wow very neutral site with no agenda here
Two times in the past we decided to terminate content from our security services because we found it reprehensible. In 2017, we terminated the neo-Nazi troll site The Daily Stormer. And in 2019, we terminated the conspiracy theory forum 8chan. In a deeply troubling response, after both terminations we saw a dramatic increase in authoritarian regimes attempting to have us terminate security services for human rights o…
Upon a third reading, I'm not interpreting it to be that too. What the fuck ?
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The group they're trying to target here is a terrorist group. Not even in a metaphorical sense. It's people who try to harass random transgender people to the point of suicide or murder.
If they are a terrorist group (or otherwise doing something "wrong"), then the appropriate means to deal with that is courts and law enforcement, not a CDN.
But we don't live in a perfect world. It's a pretty weak response to say "this should not be their problem" - because, for a bunch of reasons, it is their problem.
There are bigger, harder questions along the lines of "how do we as a society deal with this kind of issue." Cloudflare does not need to solve the general case before it deal with the specific actions of this specific website - and the desire to solve the general case is not a defense against confronting the specifics.
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The article says that providing CDN and DDOS protection services for KiwiFarms doesn't constitute hosting. The GP commenter clearly disagrees. I'll be honest: it really does seem like a distinction without a difference to me. If Cloudflare stopped doing business with Kiwifarms, it wouldn't be online. Kiwifarms is doing a great deal of harm to the world by being online. At the end of the day, Cloudflare has a moral re…
> If Cloudflare stopped doing business with Kiwifarms, it wouldn't be online. Someone said The Daily Stormer and 8Chan are online today.[1] But this would mean Cloudflare can stop doing business with Kiwi Farms without limiting speech. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32662368
There is a website that's constantly ripping and stealing artistic content from a community I used to be part of. They have an automated process for ripping and reuploading content not meant to be downloadable from small independent artists in this community without informing the artist, obtaining permission or anything. Outragingly, when content is marked as "private", they upload it anyway but charge "credits" for users to "purchase" the download for the stolen private content. This website is clearly not existing in good faith, even has the word "rip" in its domain name, and they ignore most takedown requests.
Their website and any information about their true host is protected by Cloudflare. Over the course of a year I have sent several abuse reports about this website to Cloudflare and have never heard back. They seem to absolve themselves of any responsibility by saying they just forward reports and leave it up to the host or the website owner(???) to take action. In this case, the owner and the host already know they're stealing content so they just ignore the reports.
Due to the fractured nature of the community, no single artist so far has had the time or money to take legal action or even the knowledge of who to take legal action against (the owners are anonymous), so it appears the website will continue existing, proudly protected by Cloudflare.
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What do you mean by that exactly?
They have a track record of brutal, lengthy harassment that has already pushed at least one person to take their own life after years of abuse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Suicides_of_harassm...
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I think one easy thing they could do, is stop hosting for forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing people, preferably before they inevitably bully their victims into suicide.
I'm not sure hosting something and ensuring it's accessible are different really. But the Cloudflare CEO is. And they don't host Kiwi Farms. Or do they? The CEO said CDN isn't hosting. But it fits the common definition.