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Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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0C/32F? In SF? Even in the dead of winter it hardly ever actually hits freezing. Average is 2.5C / 36 F.

With an average of 36, how unreasonable does 32 really sound at night ?

36F is a typo. Average is more like 63F.

Temps vary widely in the Bay Area—microclimates really are a thing. Freezing temps and >100F are common in the east bay, but quite rare out on the coast.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Since you know the product (frame.work) well: how does one get the specifications page?! Last time I checked, they (notebookcheck.net) said it used a glossy display instead of matte; I cannot find a specifications table in the frame.work website and the closest thing I got is in the "Marketplace Parts" section, e.g. at https://frame.work/products/display-kit - where the non-trivial, simply critical detail of glossy v…

Matte displays are just glossy displays with a coating that disperses light. You can achieve the same effect by adding a layer. Something like this: https://viascreens.com/screen-protectors/framework/ However turning a matte display into a glossy one isn't possible. FYI, https://community.frame.work/t/matte-screen-please/577/114 .

Update: as I was just now searching for information about some equipment to keep at home to make (these too overly frequent) glossy displays matte,

I met from a most prominent producer of chemical products the statement

> Glossy Protection Film offers a glossy finish to help maintain the finish of a glossy display or instantly upgrade a matte display to high-gloss

Repeat for disambiguation: they would """upgrade""" matte to, mh, glossy and highly so. There was also a picture for the monstrosity nearby. So, that «isn't possible» has a counterexample. (Which is not difficult: rub some oil on it etc.)

When I saw that further confirmation of the apparent ongoing process of the total eclipse of good sense and downfall of ethics for the perverse purpose of courting lunatic rubes for their wallets, I uttered something along the lines of Sean Lock's "Are you mental?!" (from the cab driver asked if free for giving a tiger a night ride) - only, in a discriminatory form that moderators would not approve.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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that doesn't work if you don't have the hub, meaning you need two ports plus also to buy this hub and carry the hub around with you everywhere you go with your laptop, and add in the hassle of dealing with it that is significantly less convenient and more expensive than a computer that has the same functionality without needing the extra hardware or a bag to carry around "accessories" that bring the laptop up to snuf…

I'm curious; what external devices are you always needing connected to your laptop? What is this "extra hardware" and "accessories" that you need (and which you seem to think most people also need)? In my case, the port expander is smaller than a phone, and I rarely need it. My laptop has 2TB of drive space, so I don't need external storage except occasionally at home to do a physical backup. But my important data is…

the "extra hardware" or "accessories" there refers to the USB hub that I'm required to carry around in order for the laptop to have the ports necessary for my ordinary usage

the specific use cases aren't as important given that they exist and are unsatisfied by 1 standard USB port (though my latest MBP has zero, lol)

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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I personally hate traveling with my desktop setup... Everyone can probably agree that a desktop is better if you have the space, don't need to move it and doesn't mind a bit higer power consumption. A laptop has some clear usecases to. Desktop for work, laptop for when I travel and might have to work.

This is all personal but I prefer the compact layout and low travel of a laptop keyboard. That plus having a trackpad centrally located and a second screen below my main monitor really works for me. I haven’t used a desktop in 20 years. Horses for courses I guess.

Is there a keyboard with Mac like trackpad built in even better of it's split keyboard

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Yes I remember the router situation where they accidentally left telnet listening on the WAN. I worked at Vodafone and all the routers get a security review, so it is highly doubtful that they left it in on purpose because they would have known that it would have been found. It was test engineering firmware that got left on some routers, and makes spurious claims even though in the article it points out that Vodafone…

Besides the Wireguard incident, where has Netgate been a joke like the two being discussed here?

Why "besides"?

I would say that the Wireguard issue is worse than the speculation that pre-production firmware on unreleased routers was backdooring as they actually shipped it.

Of the three links about Huawei, one is someone in India claiming IP theft, one where they made up a claim of backdooring which the original security researchers rejected that claim, and one where it appears that hardware may have been tampered at the manufacturing stage by Americans.

Not exactly smoking gun, Huawei are evil and want to steal your data. I don't trust them, but then I don't trust a lot of the networking providers to not be compromised by a state actor.

Otherwise, they are probably the best of the bunch, purely because of the stack being mostly BSD.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Matte displays are just glossy displays with a coating that disperses light. You can achieve the same effect by adding a layer. Something like this: https://viascreens.com/screen-protectors/framework/ However turning a matte display into a glossy one isn't possible. FYI, https://community.frame.work/t/matte-screen-please/577/114 .

Update: as I was just now searching for information about some equipment to keep at home to make (these too overly frequent) glossy displays matte, I met from a most prominent producer of chemical products the statement > Glossy Protection Film offers a glossy finish to help maintain the finish of a glossy display or instantly upgrade a matte display to high-gloss Repeat for disambiguation: they would """upgrade""" m…

I know it's a joke, but the point of glossy displays isn't being glossy. It's that they let more light through without distortion, which means more brightness and better color accuracy.

The matte layer already damages the light. A glossy film can only make things worse.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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ThinkPads... I recommend latest X1 Carbon. Better and more healthy ergonomy with a trackpoint + more durable chachi that handles heat better.

Agree. Few years ago I asked my employer to change Mac for something else and I got the 7th gen (Intel 8th gen processor) X1 Carbon, I fall in love and now I bought the latest 10th gen model (Intel 12th gen) and I very much like it. Super light and silent, great keyboard and also I like the touchpad on the latest model, it become even better. Build quality is the best, hinges are balanced very well that when you shake the laptop screen doesn’t move a bit but you can still open it with one hand. From the cons - it’s hot comparing to the 7th gen and also the battery life is slightly lower.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Switching to Linux is a move that must be extremely carefully considered, due to compatibility. I'm positive about this because I've been working 10+ years exclusively on it, and compatibility is "not great". In the past, Linux compatibility was not great because the desktop userbase was considerably smaller. Today, compatiblity is not great because hardware got considerably more complex. It's possible that some hard…

> Dell XPS compatibility with Linux is a half-scam How so? I'm using one with ubuntu 22. 04 and it works great. Haven't seen a laptop that properly sleeps and wakes up with Linux before so it has been a pleasant experience. Only thing that doesn't work out of the box is the fingerprint reader.

I don't know with 22.04 and with the current, but on the first XPS developer models (I believe 9370 and 9380), there was an issue with the power consumption in standby mode, which required a workaround.

Tracking bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1808957. It's a bit mad - even if the fix has been released, it seems to still affect users of other XPS models.

Other bug, affecting keyboard lights: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/keyboard-light-keeps-turning....

On the other hand, the recent XPS 13 Plus, is officially certified by Ubuntu, so there's hope :)

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Which is fine if they would replace it. But Dell no longer does so it's your cost if you get unlucky. Buyer beware. My keyboard also started sticking on my latest Dell. I won't even sell it to someone it's such a troublesome laptop.

Dell replaces swollen batteries on our whole fleet, even nearly 3 years into the “Pro support” warranty. Happens to about 1% of our machines over a 3-4 year lifetime. If you pay for the on-site “pro” warranty Dell just sends a tech, quickly and no questions asked. Even to small rural towns.

For the previous model the replacement was free whether or not you were under warranty. Because the battery was defective. They know this but tried to save money on the subsequent model. Which is fine. But I was a lifetime customer and will never buy Dell again. Which is also fine.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Quite honestly I don't know what people are doing to their laptops to say anything bad about the Dell XPS. Statistically, it seems the overwhelming majority agrees they're great though.

I've never even had to call customer support, I've been running PopOS on a specced out XPS15 for years which I installed myself, overriding the factory-installed Windows with no issues whatsoever (honestly just one minor firmware detail that was easily solved).

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