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Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach
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#42That wad of text was hard for me to read / get a lot out of.
The image though made sense to me:
https://blog.cloudflare.com/content/images/2022/08/pasted-im...
I think I'd take a similar approach. Basic services, transit and etc would involve less moderation. Actually hosting someone else's BS on my systems more potential moderation.
Personally I wouldn't host some jerk at my house, I still would argue they deserve basic protections, even if they're horrible.
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#43It's interesting watching the responses roll in here. What CF is laying out here was essentially the standard viewpoint of western society until something like 10 years ago. "I disagree with what you say, but I'll protect your right to say it" is a basic tenant of liberalism. If you find that shocking, you should examine why that is.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a really tricky situation. On the one hand, websites like KF and the like are utterly reprehensible. On the other hand, Cloudflare taking it upon themselves to police the Internet is a nightmare in its own, given their bot-prevention services are effectively mandatory in order to even keep any sort of larger interactive website running. What is permitted to say is something for the courts, not for the whims of p…
> On the other hand, Cloudflare taking it upon themselves to police the Internet is a nightmare in its own, given their bot-prevention services are effectively mandatory in order to even keep any sort of larger interactive website running. Maybe we should additionally also focus on that problem as well. It should not be the case that you need to pay a protection racket just to be able to survive on the Internet. We d…
We are not going to war with nuclear armed states. At least not to a level we can't plausibly deny.
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#45Never thought I'd see the Left trying to weaponize corporations to suppress speech they dislike. Reminds me a LOT of Evangelicals in the 2000s - I know that comparison has been made frequently but that's the last group that made a serious censorship push. I wonder how all of this will end? I support CloudFlare here - they should act as a utility, not as an arbiter of content. This ends poorly and one day will bite th…
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> On the other hand, Cloudflare taking it upon themselves to police the Internet is a nightmare in its own, given their bot-prevention services are effectively mandatory in order to even keep any sort of larger interactive website running. Maybe we should additionally also focus on that problem as well. It should not be the case that you need to pay a protection racket just to be able to survive on the Internet. We d…
We are not going to war with nuclear armed states. At least not to a level we can't plausibly deny.
Heh, I'm not calling for tanks rolling on anyone else but the Russians at that moment. But taking down national assets? Hacking them back to steal information just like they do against us? Why the fuck not?
If you let bullies bully around without consequences, they will only escalate, and it's high time someone takes on these four.
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#47They talk a lot about "human rights" in this post. At what point does someone's right to personal safety and privacy trump another person's right to host whatever they want on the internet?
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a really tricky situation. On the one hand, websites like KF and the like are utterly reprehensible. On the other hand, Cloudflare taking it upon themselves to police the Internet is a nightmare in its own, given their bot-prevention services are effectively mandatory in order to even keep any sort of larger interactive website running. What is permitted to say is something for the courts, not for the whims of p…
Like with so many SaaS, CloudFlare has perhaps become too many digital eggs in one digital basket, so inevitably it will result in disappointment and bad decisions ala Twitter, GoDaddy etc.
It's also sort of hard put the cat in the bag, for the service that instituted the policy and for competitors.
If you start a competing free-speech twitter competitor, you're effectively "twitter for InfoWars fans, QAnon and assorted holocaust deniers". Likewise, the headlines if Twitter themselves softened their line would hardly be about standing up for free speech ideals...
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#49> While we believe we have an obligation to restrict the content that we host ourselves, we do not believe we have the political legitimacy to determine generally what is and is not online by restricting security or core Internet services. If that content is harmful, the right place to restrict it is legislatively. Agreed, but realistically: for the near future there will be no legislative restriction in the US on ha…
This is a crazy take on responsibility. It isn't Europe's responsibility when people decide to take unsafe passage on the sea and drown. Could they do more? Yes, I'm sure they could, but are they directly responsible for drownings? No, this is too far. I'd argue the same for Kiwi Farms. If people are cyber-bullying (ie, reaching out to people and harassing them) then those people should be addressed. Arguing that any…
> This is a crazy take on responsibility. It isn't Europe's responsibility when people decide to take unsafe passage on the sea and drown. Could they do more? Yes, I'm sure they could, but are they directly responsible for drownings? No, this is too far.
"With great power comes great responsibility", a principle as old as civilized humanity. Germany alone is the fourth largest economy by BIP, and the entire EU as a whole the second largest.
We have the capacity to help the people fleeing from the bullshit that was mostly caused by us in the first place, we actually have the rights to asylum in our constitutions, but we're not doing anywhere near what we actually could do.
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#50CloudFlare opened Pandora's box. It will never be able to shut it.
When private companies become enforcers of public morality, you will quickly find morality is shaped by what is profitable. This is a horrible idea.