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Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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These new models completely changed my mind about how much impact AI will have in my lifetime. They are the most impressive software achievements in decades and anyone who has a “meh” reaction will absolutely end up looking silly.

I’m not optimistic that their impact will be positive though.

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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Regarding the ethics. Thought experiment: I look at a copyrighted image, get inspiration, and then draw a new image (which is not the same as the copyrighted image). Is that ethical? But if I do this millions of times, after looking at millions of copyrighted images, is it still ethical (as long as I don't recreated copyrighted images)? Tough questions!

If it sufficiently different from the original. So no one would confuse your new idea with the old. That’s how I was taught anyway.

So Donald Buck who is a duck is too derivative, but Ronald Cluck who is a bear might be fine.

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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The watermark.

What watermark? The model is open source and free for people to make their own modifications. I don't see how any watermark can survive in those conditions.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32573523

All this is super, super interesting to me. I don't think anybody really knows how it will play out, there's a lot of good arguments floating around.

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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One day, images generated with these AIs will become ubiquitous online, and new AIs training on data will wind up with feedback problems because they got trained on photos that are AI generated, possibly even ones they themselves generated! This tech is a huge deal. Huge. Ubiquitous unique, beautiful art. Entire movies made by machines. Too many to even watch them all. Actor models that aren't real people owned by th…

Although it's likely that the images that appear online will be peoples' favourites of many candidates, also likely developed through many steps of AI tweaking. So that's still a useful signal for another AI to consume.

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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Regarding the ethics. Thought experiment: I look at a copyrighted image, get inspiration, and then draw a new image (which is not the same as the copyrighted image). Is that ethical? But if I do this millions of times, after looking at millions of copyrighted images, is it still ethical (as long as I don't recreated copyrighted images)? Tough questions!

> Is that ethical?

Depending on how close it is it may not even be legal. To give a music analogy: at least in my country, if you take a melody, change all the notes' durations, and transpose it you'd still infringe

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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Expect hit actors from today to become digitized and immortalized on the screen. Eventually there will be a cannon of standard "actors" (customized per movie of course) that will never change once they settle in on the appropriate archetypes.

This is the premise of the film The Congress, based loosely on Stanisław Lem's The Futurological Congress.

Interesting! I'll have to check that out.

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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One day, images generated with these AIs will become ubiquitous online, and new AIs training on data will wind up with feedback problems because they got trained on photos that are AI generated, possibly even ones they themselves generated! This tech is a huge deal. Huge. Ubiquitous unique, beautiful art. Entire movies made by machines. Too many to even watch them all. Actor models that aren't real people owned by th…

Expect hit actors from today to become digitized and immortalized on the screen. Eventually there will be a cannon of standard "actors" (customized per movie of course) that will never change once they settle in on the appropriate archetypes.

This already happens. Around 2010 the actor for the colonel from Avatar had his face digitized for use in sequels. More recently actors from earlier eras have been reincarnated in CGI (Luke Skywalker takes on his original trilogy appearance for the Mandalorian).

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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It's rapidly getting good enough for things like stock images for blog posts. Where you just need an image vaguely related and don't want to pay for an actual stock image.

After the novelty wears off and everyone has already seen tons of these automatically generated images, will writers still want to adorn their blogs with these generic illustrations? Or will it turn negative: "If you have nothing to say, add an AI illustration." I could see it becoming a marker of low-brow taste where vaguely related illustrations become something akin to decorating your home with velvet paintings of…

Prompt writing is a challenging and creative endeavor like any other, and a well-written prompt/image need not be mearly "vaguely related"; Certainly not in comparison to the stock images that are already utilized today.

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

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Regarding the ethics. Thought experiment: I look at a copyrighted image, get inspiration, and then draw a new image (which is not the same as the copyrighted image). Is that ethical? But if I do this millions of times, after looking at millions of copyrighted images, is it still ethical (as long as I don't recreated copyrighted images)? Tough questions!

The ethics partly depends on the analogy you choose.

I can write a book about a boy wizard's adventures wizard school and that's legal, but if I call them Harry Potter it isn't.

I can create Harry Potter fanart and distribute it online pretty freely - but slap it on a mug and sell it, and that's illegal.

I can record an audio description of a painting that's as detailed as I like and it's legal to distribute - but take a photograph of the same painting and it's a derivative work, no matter how artistic my choice of camera settings.

We don't really have any prior examples that are precisely like these huge ML models trained on copyrighted data - and depending on which imprecise analogy you choose, you can come to a different conclusion.

Re: Stable Diffusion is a big deal

#130

After using SD heavily for a week, I half agree with this. It is incredibly disruptive, and it's wild how much it accelerates the creative process. I'll give you that. But two things I've noticed: First, artists will still have a massive advantage over non-artists with this tool. A photographer who intimately knows the different lenses and cameras and industry terms will get to a representation of their idea much fas…

The position of creative oversight that you describe in your second paragraph is effectively that of and art director. Not, unfortunately, an artist.
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