Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture • Hacker News Board

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by onion2k » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:04 AM UTC

...Microsoft in true Microsoft form of moving ever so slowly and doing it over a generation of people as not to spook them has been transitioning their customer base into consumers of services offered by Microsoft.

A company like Microsoft is changing the software industry by moving developers to a SaaS model, and articles like this suggest this is a terrible thing because we're losing control over what we do, they're is mining all our data, and locking us in to their platform.

There's an amusing irony that articles like this get posted to HN. This is the exact strategy that we would celebrate any HN startup for cleverly 'disrupting' any other industry - when someone launches a startup to make farming or shipping more efficient through killing off old paper based work flows, improving SaaS tools, giving customers insights through ML over millions of pieces of data, and also quietly sells those insights to boost revenue and locking customers in by making it hard to export their data, HN loves that. Do it in the software industry though and the comments are a lot less positive.

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by ghuntley » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:07 AM UTC

forkfork wrote: post #17

fwip wrote: post #12

I wish I'd realized that the author was an NFT shill before I got to the end of the article.

The author is one of the most influential NFT critics: e.g. https://amp.smh.com.au/business/companies/extortion-why-web3...

Thanks forkfork. I'm _absolutely_ not an NFT shill and my avatar is funny af because NFT/Web3 is meant to be decentralised but it's built on central platforms. The avatar/pfp that I use received a DCMA takedown thus is an doubley illegal NFT [this will make sense if folks are aware of the RRBAYC lawsuit] that I can't change. It exists in "my wallet" but it can't be used anywhere.

ps. The first ever Crypto Policy Symposium (with other critics like myself) is in 5 days - https://crypto-policy.tech/

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by mikewarot » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:07 AM UTC

.NET is 20 years old now, according to Wikipedia. I've never seen the point of it, and have avoided using it in anything I've cared about. If people are foolish enough to use it, I'm not going to be able to stop them.

I've tried Visual Studio (to compile my forth project with), but it just doesn't work for me anyway. There's too big an impedance mismatch.

I'll stick with NotePad++ for non-pascal stuff, and Lazarus for the rest.

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by georgia_peach » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:08 AM UTC

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #18

georgia_peach wrote: post #16

Here's $0.00. Take it, and buy yourself a real editor. Anything you choose to pay above that goes to needy children in Uganda. corrected per systemvoltage : https://www.vim.org/sources.php

Shift + Shift + Command + ESC + Shift + 1 + ~ + Shift + Esc + CTRL + Command + Shift + F1 + \x00 + F3 + ~ Phew! Finally back to my terminal

M-x, C-x, M-Shift-x is emacs, not vim.

It's :q in vim.

and to suction: because vi pre-dated those paradigms

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by swyx » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:09 AM UTC

one of the most "game of thrones" moves ever is the Julia Liuson promotion for DevDiv. i'm just a rando outsider so I have no context at all (in particular i dont wanna discount Julia's achievements), but just from the outside Nat seemed to be set to run devdiv and potentially be future Microsoft CEO .

I respect that that is a very different job than probably what Nat wanted anyway. Just seemed like the rare "tech exec who 1000% gets developers" that you'd hope takes over Microsoft after Satya.

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by elcritch » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:10 AM UTC

memco wrote: post #14

d0mine wrote: post #2

"The move affects millions of developers, as the Python extension is by far the most popular tool in the VS Code Marketplace" One of the reasons to use Emacs is to avoid asking Microsoft for permission to code.

Does eMacs have a good remote editing and debugging system comparable to VSC? I’ve tried pycharm and nvim, but both were clunky and did not work as well if at all for remote debugging and editing with navigation, autocomplete, linting etc. VSC does all that with very little manual configuration required.

Emacs has "tramp". It can work pretty well. I'm not sure how well modern language servers work with it.

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by eberkund » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:12 AM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #21

...Microsoft in true Microsoft form of moving ever so slowly and doing it over a generation of people as not to spook them has been transitioning their customer base into consumers of services offered by Microsoft. A company like Microsoft is changing the software industry by moving developers to a SaaS model, and articles like this suggest this is a terrible thing because we're losing control over what we do, they'r…

I guess because software developer types loving being the ones doing that to others but hate when they are the ones it is done to?

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by xahrepap » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:14 AM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #21

...Microsoft in true Microsoft form of moving ever so slowly and doing it over a generation of people as not to spook them has been transitioning their customer base into consumers of services offered by Microsoft. A company like Microsoft is changing the software industry by moving developers to a SaaS model, and articles like this suggest this is a terrible thing because we're losing control over what we do, they'r…

To be fair, I think it's a lot different to see a startup disrupt a market, than to see one of the biggest companies of all time do it.

Anti-competitive behaviors from a behemoth are scary. From a startup? I mean... what can they do? Usually nothing. So it's kind of fun seeing the underdog make some noise!

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by xwolfi » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:14 AM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #21

...Microsoft in true Microsoft form of moving ever so slowly and doing it over a generation of people as not to spook them has been transitioning their customer base into consumers of services offered by Microsoft. A company like Microsoft is changing the software industry by moving developers to a SaaS model, and articles like this suggest this is a terrible thing because we're losing control over what we do, they'r…

You comingle HN and Ycombinator maybe? I dislike VCs and startup culture while I work in a 150yo bank ... I still like HN and shit on the model you described.

Re: Visual Studio Code is designed to fracture

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Post by denimnerd42 » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:15 AM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #21

...Microsoft in true Microsoft form of moving ever so slowly and doing it over a generation of people as not to spook them has been transitioning their customer base into consumers of services offered by Microsoft. A company like Microsoft is changing the software industry by moving developers to a SaaS model, and articles like this suggest this is a terrible thing because we're losing control over what we do, they'r…

the ones praising that kind of SaaS product are more likely to be the ones responding "Eh, whatever" in here. I would never want my company's business model to be reliant on a SaaS product.