Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

Post by brnt » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

AnonC wrote: post #167

izzytcp wrote: post #3

Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.

> I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! Any reason? I’ll give you some serious ones. Signal sucks really bad on user experience and features. If you try both for a week or two and learn about the features, you’d be able to conclude the same. Signal does not care about users and prevents backups on iOS. Lose your device or delete the app due to some issues and reinstall? A…

Post by croes » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 4:44 PM UTC

hunter2_ wrote: post #172

sequoia wrote: post #132

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You seem to be mistaken about what the "ends" refer to in end to end encryption. If I whisper something in my friend's ear and she whispers it into your ear, that is not a secret message between you and me even if each "hop" was private. E2E means no intermediaries see the plaintext, only the original sender and ultimate recipient see the plaintext. HN is not the recipient of your message, it's an intermediary.

With HTTPS alone, I can assure you that HN is, indeed, the recipient/end. If you post something like a PGP-encrypted message on HN, now you've got a situation where HN is no longer a recipient/end. I think the better point to make is that we all collectively agree to refrain from using the term "end" (as in E2EE) in situations like the former, as it's misleading despite being accurate; please only use it for the latt…

Post by croes » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

sequoia wrote: post #132

croes wrote: post #97

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I'm not messaging to you but to HN via E2E https connection. You can't read that messages as they are transported, you can read them afterwards because HN makes them public not because my message wasn't send encrypted.

You seem to be mistaken about what the "ends" refer to in end to end encryption. If I whisper something in my friend's ear and she whispers it into your ear, that is not a secret message between you and me even if each "hop" was private. E2E means no intermediaries see the plaintext, only the original sender and ultimate recipient see the plaintext. HN is not the recipient of your message, it's an intermediary.

Post by skyyler » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 5:20 PM UTC

izzytcp wrote: post #8

neverrroot wrote: post #6

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Channels, Groups, it’s overall way better. But true, per default not as secure. Supports secure chats, that are secure.

Are channels and groups e2ee?

Post by freemint » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

felurx wrote: post #60

j16sdiz wrote: post #48

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What's the percentage now? Not German, but still want to know

41% Option 1, 21% Option 2, 34% Option 3, 4% abstention Since the poll already has >1.1 million votes, I wouldn't expect those numbers to change a lot