We need a better, open, ways of connecting people on the 'old' web.
Welcome to the new web.
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Re: Welcome to the new web.
#72I agree with the claim in this forum post. It is annoying to have all pages javascript generated, clicks hijacked to make some special sauce, and content popping in, up, down or out whenever you hover something. It is a growing mess that will have it "let's rollback and clean this crap out" time, like Google did with its famous blank home page. Another example: trello.com is a very nice and free card tool for small p…
What makes you expect the 'good-old Google' to come back? They have been steadily moving in a more and more closed direction for years now. What would cause that trend to change?
I don't know if there are so many facts behind your assertion that Google is going in a more and more closed direction.
Is it because they took more time than previously to open Android 3.0? It has been settled, right? And we know the reasons.
Did they slow down on releasing open-source softwares? Maybe, I don't follow it closely enough to decide.
Chromium is still open.
They did shut down some APIs, but this is a normal process of refactoring, removing stones you have on your way.
I see a recent strong trend in Google evolution, but it is not toward walled garden or closed formats or else. It is toward more and more design, ajaxy things, prettiness, and I think it is a bit unnecessary, and they may have to revert some of these changes.
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no "too big to fail". There was a little financial incident in a small north american country some time ago, where some "too big to fail" institutions failed. I've already heared some teens don't like Facebook anymore because mom and dad are also there. What changes is the web framework style. Asynchronous page loading provides a smoother experience compared to refreshing the whole page. Gmail and Thunderbir…
Indeed, there is no such thing as too big to fail , however you can say of certain companies that they are too big to fail easily . Facebook was once small and fragile. Not anymore. What changes is the web framework style The changes are a lot deeper than that. The web is increasingly against sharing, against cooperation, against standards. The semantic web dream is dying, replaced by web versions of Microsoft Exchan…
Who is "the web"?
Web sites/applications just try to be as user-friendly as possible. Unfortunately, stuff like RSS/Atom is not user-friendly compared to Follow/Like/Friend. HTTP GET ist not user-friendly compared to AJAX page changes. Providing open interfaces and standards is additional work, without obvious benefits for companies and most users don't care.
This semantic web dream you talk about--what is it? Nobody is selling this to ordinary people. All i see of "Semantic Web" guys, are baroque XML snippets (FOAF, RDF, etc) and mumbo jumbo about namespaces and ontologies.
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no "too big to fail". There was a little financial incident in a small north american country some time ago, where some "too big to fail" institutions failed. I've already heared some teens don't like Facebook anymore because mom and dad are also there. What changes is the web framework style. Asynchronous page loading provides a smoother experience compared to refreshing the whole page. Gmail and Thunderbir…
Indeed, there is no such thing as too big to fail , however you can say of certain companies that they are too big to fail easily . Facebook was once small and fragile. Not anymore. What changes is the web framework style The changes are a lot deeper than that. The web is increasingly against sharing, against cooperation, against standards. The semantic web dream is dying, replaced by web versions of Microsoft Exchan…
> web versions of Microsoft Exchange.
What a nightmare! Hey guys, we are we so pessimistic these times? We should fight instead.
- Facebook is annoying but you want to keep in touch? Use one of the many tools allowing you to receive your fiends baby pics without opening Facebook. If no tool suits you, hack another one! (I would love a command line fb, by the way)
- Tired of shitty web apps that lost the pure HTTP way and mess with click events? Find or hack an extension that shut them down. If too badly bad, pull on the black hat and make a fuck of that.
- Lack of inspiration? Read again pg's essays, it fuels one with renewed inspiration.
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> mainstream people seem to think of Facebook as "the internet" For quite a few years people used the Internet Explorer icon on pamphlets and posters as an icon representing The Internet. It seems people are now starting to use Facebook's icon for that.
Just to corroborate, I've done user testing with young people (13-15) and Facebook is definitely seen as 'the internet' - along with YouTube.
The same goes for the other end of the spectrum, people over 50-60 who started using the intern.. ehm sorry, facebook to connect with their grandchildren and play games. Their whole browser experience ends there, they don't ever type a URL in and have no notion of bookmarks other than facebook's app bookmarks (and they get disillusioned when they're missing).
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my opinion, such a platform, or several, using an entirely different paradigm, already exist. To overtake Facebook, it is simply a matter of making it as easy to use as Facebook, and Facebook annoyances having reached a breaking point. Whether there is yet sufficient impetus to do the UI work and whether Facebook users are ready to move on to the next thing is another question.
I'm going put put my two cents in, and say that a platform capable of replacing Facebook for discussion and community on the web has already been created. It's called Reddit. Bear with me here, I realize this is probably an unpopular opinion. On Reddit, all content is open -- I don't think I've ever seen a 'closed' sub-reddit available only to members. I'm not sure it's even possible. Yet, in spite of all communities…
True. I have little interest in actual discussions on G+ or FB because of the public use of my full name, and the connections that I have there. There are, and will remain, plenty of people that enjoy interaction that has a bit more anonymity. r/truereddit is quite good.
I think part of what has happened to these dwindling forums is that they are functionally out-dated, and a bit too insular. -It takes too much time for new people to get up to speed on most boards. (dont forget Hubski, btw. :))
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#77i remember the old web, a web without RSS or ATOM feeds.
I remember when #foo was an IRC channel, not a Twitter hash tag.
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#78And don't forget: "This content not authorized for mobile devices."
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#79It's ironic that ten years ago many people (average consumers) thought that AOL was the Internet. Now they think Facebook and Google are. Ten years from now, it'll be something else and HN type people will still be doing their own thing as usual.
Re: Welcome to the new web.
#80Google tried it the other way via Google Wave and unfortunately nobody bought into it.
Regarding the rendering technologies it was exactly the same, a big pile of JS that you need to render actual content.
The main point of the author seems to be that G+ doesn't use progressive enhancement.