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Covid “Fudge Factor” – A map of Covid data corruption and approach that worked

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Post by pacerwpg »

HideousKojima wrote: post #84
pacerwpg wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly the economies of the world seem to be fairing worse now that lockdowns have lifted and there are labor shortages in every area. The effects of people dying and the unchecked spread of illness were ignored with calls of "you're killing the economy!".

Only if your premise that the labor shortages (and other economic issues) are caused by pandemic deaths is correct, mind you. The overwhelming majority of deaths (around 80%) from the pandemic in all countries was amongst retirement age individuals, most of whom are out of the workforce.

200,000 working age people in the US dying isn't nothing. It could also be explained by disabilities as a result of COVID and people unable to work as a result of that.

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Post by azinman2 »

geiser wrote: post #88
hamaluik wrote: post #61

I can get onboard with most of this.. until the end. COVID deaths don’t just mean everyone losing 15 days of life. To me it meant multiple family members dying. It means my respiratory system has been absolutely wrecked, hopefully not forever but for at least several months now. It means my infant son is gasping for breath on my lap as I write this and there’s nothing we can do for him. Statistics in white towers are…

That's exactly what I thought. We have to learn to live in a community, and that means sacrificing personal liberty for the benefit of others.

As the GP points out, long Covid isn’t factored into this, let alone the cruelty of averaging lifespans with death when we know it’s an inaccurate way to understand the effects.

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Post by HideousKojima »

pacerwpg wrote: post #87
eldaisfish wrote: post #82

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how do you square this with the fact that more and more people are calling in sick and many are continuing to die now that much of the western world has given up on pandemic restrictions?

We cannot continue to live under the tyranny of sometimes wearing a mask.

Of wearing a mask in any and all public places, you mean? Because that's what was done, and the linguistic development of millions of children has been damaged as a result: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/masks-can-be-detr...

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Post by cas14655 »

lesuorac wrote: post #59
cas14655 wrote: post #40

Sweden Age Adjusted Mortality 3rd January 2020 through 18th June 2021: -2.3% Source: ONS Not only did lockdowns fail, they were unnecessary and cruel and tyrannical. I sincerely hope that the responsible people will face justice that is just as harsh as the lockdown enforcement was.

> Not only did lockdowns fail That's the exact opposite conclusion the article finds while taking into account more countries and just one. If you have to search out a single country out of over a hundred to find supporting data you probably are just p-hacking .... Like go to the store and buy identical pens but of 100 different colors. Now throw them down the stairs and record which goes the farthest. Now repeat it…

> If you have to search out a single country out of over a hundred to find supporting data you probably are just p-hacking

You are not considering how positivism works. If you say lockdowns work you have to prove that in all instances. I just need one (1) counter example to disprove your theory completely.

> Do this enough times and you'll find a pen with pCherry-picking. Yeah, that's what focusing on Australia and NZ while ignoring Peru and Sweden is, exactly.

Finding two patients who got better after blood-letting is not enough to prove blood-letting works. Your theory has to fit all the available quality data (so no China or model "data" allowed).

> I'm sure they're be so upset to get free money per month while not having to work.

Yeah that was the extend of lockdowns. Go tell that to the people that where locked up without visitors in nursing homes for months on end.

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Post by cas14655 »

robertkoss wrote: post #80
cas14655 wrote: post #74

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In itself your statement is accurate: we did not have data that is impossible to have. In broader context the implication is not correct. We had experts consider long and hard what to do in the case of an influenza pandemic and the consensus for decades had been to disrupt society as little as possible. This is the WHOs evaluation of NPIs in 2019 (PDF Warning): https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329438/…

You don't want to generalise (COVID similar to influenza huh?) if you don't know anything about the virus. I repeat myself, at that point We didn't know much about SARS2.

Well, you are right in a way. Contact tracing, masks and social distancing make even less sense for corona viruses which we full well knew in 2020.

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Post by cas14655 »

robertkoss wrote: post #70
cloutchaser wrote: post #58

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Going by this argument we should lock down for every possible adverse future event where it might help. Thinking about it lockdowns could definitely help with climate change, should we just lock down for the next 20 years?

What a nice strawman you constructed there.

Please describe the strawman.

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Post by DharmaPolice »

TheFattestNinja wrote: post #42
mikkergp wrote: post #14

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Yeah, this is one of those cases where mean is really deceptive, almost to the point of shadowing the veracity of the rest of the paper, I wonder if they chose it because other numbers are just nearly impossible to grasp emotionally. It’s hard to make a cost benefit analysis if you’re convince you are in one camp (or the other, healthy people are probably convinced they’d survive and unhealthy/immunompromised not so)

Imho it's well past the point of "almost shadowing the rest". It singlehandledly makes the rest of the work (at least in my judgement) completely garbage. Which is a shame because it seems good. I don't want to sound too "emotional" but come the fuck on. Even if you want to be "rational" and just look at hard monetary data you could just take the years lost, give them a price tag (average yearly salary * years accoun…

The median age of people who died of COVID in the UK was 83 [0]. Mean average was 80. (I know it was younger in the US). Most of those did not have decades of their life left.

0 - https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/fre...

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Post by pacerwpg »

HideousKojima wrote: post #93
pacerwpg wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We cannot continue to live under the tyranny of sometimes wearing a mask.

Of wearing a mask in any and all public places, you mean? Because that's what was done, and the linguistic development of millions of children has been damaged as a result: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/masks-can-be-detr...

Would you mind providing a link that supports your conclusion.

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Post by zdragnar »

pacerwpg wrote: post #89
artificialLimbs wrote: post #46

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Same. Family friend had a hunting accident and shot himself. Made it to the hospital, tested positive, died within a day or two from the gunshot. "Covid death."

I'm calling bullshit.

I can't speak to knowing this particular instance, but it wouldn't be surprising:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2022/03/10/new-covid-death-definit...

"From March 2020 to March 2021, DPH counted the death of any person who had previously tested positive for COVID-19 as a COVID-related death, regardless of how much time elapsed between those two events.

Even if someone contracted the virus in March and died in a car crash in July, they were added to the ongoing tally of pandemic deaths for that first year."

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Post by HideousKojima »

robertkoss wrote: post #86
HideousKojima wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The absolutely devastating economic and social effects were known, the possible effects of the disease both short and long-term were unknown. So we decided to go for the known devastating effects in case the disease was also devastating? That makes zero sense. And there were alternatives proposed to lockdowns like the Great Barrington Declaration that were not simply not considered, but were actively suppressed and s…

Great Barrington -> 4th of October. Are you even reading my comments? I am referring to the first lockdowns which took place in April 2020. "So we decided to go for the known devastating effects in case the disease was also devastating?" Of course we do in case of a pandemic, since we are dealing with a completely different underlying distribution of effects.

Fine, from the WHO in 2019 (and before Wuhan) about what the response to future pandemics ought to be:

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329438/9789...

Contact tracing, quarantine of exposed individuals, entry and exit screening and border closures are "Not recommended in any circumstances."

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