Lots of people here in Germany use Telegram for their purchases of substances (a serious crime here) because they consider it safe. If there's a danger of Telegram sharing their data with the police, the app is no longer safe. If it it's no longer safe for one thing, people won't use it for anything.
for their purchases of substances Purchases are where the sales at. Strange that these sellers aren’t using more secure messengers. I believe that illegal activity is a good litmus test for a messenger, much better than forum theories or headlines. If for some reason drug dealers stay away from particular apps, so should you.
Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.
Just to remind that Signal is bu//sh*t messenger that ask you for your phone number. And keep and share all the information with authorities. Since it is a US based company, and it is what US based companies do. If you want to make a protected application, don't tie it to any real world data. That is very easy.
> And keep and share all the information with authorities.
Do you use discord, reddit, hacker news for private communication? BTW reddit and Hackernews are E2EE, it's just that one E is public.
What does that even mean?
That your message is transferred from your computer to the recipient, HN's servers, encrypted. At no point should anyone in the middle be able to read your message. After arrival, HN then publishes it on a public forum for everyone to see.
Sadly I think that it is the slippery slope for Telegram. Instead of the spirit of privacy first, they start to concede little by little for commercial interests. First it is just the IP and phone number. Then, it will be extended to contacts. Because, why not, that can be useful also for "terrorist investigations". Then it will be chat history,because it makes sense, the police has a warrant... And telegram is techn…
Do you really think that corruption uses court orders of fabricated terrorism cases as regular means to abuse the system? If that’s true, Europe is screwed up regardless of how a popular messenger handles your ip. Anyway, “slippery slope” is an extrapolation and not an argument, cannot be used as such. You can naively extrapolate everything, e.g. I was too lazy to take out the trash today … and then I’ll try heroin.…
> Court orders of fabricated terrorism cases as regular means to abuse the system
Yes literally all the time in the United States.
The horseman of the privacy apocalypse is roughly - Terrorism, Drugs, and CP.
Lots of people here in Germany use Telegram for their purchases of substances (a serious crime here) because they consider it safe. If there's a danger of Telegram sharing their data with the police, the app is no longer safe. If it it's no longer safe for one thing, people won't use it for anything.
Do you use discord, reddit, hacker news for private communication? BTW reddit and Hackernews are E2EE, it's just that one E is public.
What is your HN key fingerprint? I’d like to compare it to know if our messaging is secure.
I'm not messaging to you but to HN via E2E https connection.
You can't read that messages as they are transported, you can read them afterwards because HN makes them public not because my message wasn't send encrypted.
Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.
> How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. Yeah, give S̶i̶g̶n̶a̶l̶ Twilio your phone number instead. Problem solved. > I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’…
If the cryptocurrency weren't useful for criminals, scammers, and money launderers, then it wouldn't be useful for political dissidents either. The reason the undesirables use those technologies is because they work. Yes, bad people are going to use effective tools. Does that mean nobody should have them? Granted, I wish they would have just implemented Monero instead, especially since MobileCoin was (is?) unusable in the US. I agree they definitely could use some work on the backups side of the house as well.
Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.
> How about not storing any information at all?
Acc to telegram:
> Telegram may disclose IP addresses and phone numbers
How do you propose this data is masked? You need a phone number to use Telegram (and Signal), and you need an internet connection, thus exposing your IP address.
I’m not sure why you think Signal does not have this information.
Do you use discord, reddit, hacker news for private communication? BTW reddit and Hackernews are E2EE, it's just that one E is public.
What does that even mean?
Telegram is just the middleman between sender and receiver.
When you write on HN, the receiver is HN. That message is transported via E2E https encryption so it's secure.
But because HN displays all messages publicly you can read them after they were received.
This doesn't change the fact that the transport as such is E2E.