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Re: Welcome to the new web.

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Post by alexhawket »

bergie wrote: post #48
alexhawket wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it's not possible to "stop" designing web UI as there is no standarzied ui library in html/css. Web apps have been shoehorned into a system that was never intended to behave like an app. Stopping random UI experiments would require a replacement system designed specifically for web apps that access a standard library of controls.

We've been using Twitter's Bootstrap in quite a lot of our recent web app projects. It provides a reasonable "standard widget set": http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/

Yeah there's lots of great UI libraries but it doesn't really solve the problem since they aren't universally applied.

Users still have to learn the UI controls of each library or whatever else the designers come up with.

Re: Welcome to the new web.

#52

Post by 101001010111 »

dissident wrote: post #33
nirvana wrote: post #6

I'm a member of a forum for graduates of one of the schools I went to. In 2007 it was a vibrant and active forum, growing steadily, and straining its hosting account, which constantly had to be expanded. At some point, around 2009, most of the members of this forum got Facebook accounts. That forum is now completely dead. Facebook took all the oxygen out of the site, and it seems like a lot of other sites. Now very m…

As an administrator of an online message board, I concur. Web content is being so efficiently aggregated that some forums turn into the awkward conversation between two redditors: "Check this out!" "Heh, yeah. I saw that." Communities before were usually separated by platforms , because the platforms were not yet sophisticated enough to support vast communities of varying opinions. Now we have a few big players that…

In my opinion, such a platform, or several, using an entirely different paradigm, already exist. To overtake Facebook, it is simply a matter of making it as easy to use as Facebook, and Facebook annoyances having reached a breaking point. Whether there is yet sufficient impetus to do the UI work and whether Facebook users are ready to move on to the next thing is another question.

Re: Welcome to the new web.

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Post by ma2rten »

In the grant scheme of thing, do people really think it is a big deal if a page shows you a 404 error, even if the content you are looking for actually exists? I think it's very tempting to get lost in tiny details like that.

Re: Welcome to the new web.

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Post by jsilence »

mbesto wrote: post #49
nirvana wrote: post #6

I'm a member of a forum for graduates of one of the schools I went to. In 2007 it was a vibrant and active forum, growing steadily, and straining its hosting account, which constantly had to be expanded. At some point, around 2009, most of the members of this forum got Facebook accounts. That forum is now completely dead. Facebook took all the oxygen out of the site, and it seems like a lot of other sites. Now very m…

I think the web is going to undergo a radical change in the next 5 or so years. Hasn't it radically changed every year?

"6. The only constant in the world is change."

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/egoless-programming-the-...

Re: Welcome to the new web.

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Post by jsilence »

ma2rten wrote: post #53

In the grant scheme of thing, do people really think it is a big deal if a page shows you a 404 error, even if the content you are looking for actually exists? I think it's very tempting to get lost in tiny details like that.

It might appear to some like a tiny detail, but things like this break the web. HTTP status codes are there for a good reason. A similar situation is when your provider redirects you to its own search page instead of giving you the 404.

Re: Welcome to the new web.

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Post by jsilence »

steilpass wrote: post #37

So what are we going to do about it? There must be a business opportunity here.

I really don't get it, why the dying social networks like Myspace, Friendster, StudieVZ et.al. are not embracing the distributed social protocols like crazy.

OAuth, Salmon, PubSubHubbub, FOAF, ... everything is right there.

Re: Welcome to the new web.

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Post by rbarooah »

pgroves wrote: post #16

As much as I wish the innovations of g+ and Facebook were centered around RSS and email, this is just the way new technologies evolve. Identity management and permissions management for who can see a user's content just don't have a good standard yet. Therefore private companies are rolling their own proprietary solutions and competing with each other. At some point, the standard techniques for dealing with these iss…

The implication of what you are saying is that Google has determined that openness is a strategy they have failed to make work.

Re: Welcome to the new web.

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Post by rbarooah »

gbog wrote: post #19

I agree with the claim in this forum post. It is annoying to have all pages javascript generated, clicks hijacked to make some special sauce, and content popping in, up, down or out whenever you hover something. It is a growing mess that will have it "let's rollback and clean this crap out" time, like Google did with its famous blank home page. Another example: trello.com is a very nice and free card tool for small p…

What makes you expect the 'good-old Google' to come back?

They have been steadily moving in a more and more closed direction for years now. What would cause that trend to change?

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