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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by mantas » Fri, Aug 26, 2022, 5:49 AM UTC

immibis wrote: post #440

mantas wrote: post #439

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Depends how you define left wing. It was highly collectivist and little private property. It was also working hard on building the new homo sovieticus. And the idea of world domination never really went away. It was also equally poor, especially if you skip party elite. Capital was not a thing. Well, social capital did play a big role :) I can’t agree that left wing is for equality while right wing is anti-equality.…

Left-wing is not collectivism, it's not low private property, it's not world domination, it's not poor. The NSDAP was highly collectivist - they all had to work together to build the master race, no? I imagine North Korea doesn't have very much private property. The original right wing were monarchism apologists. Hitler's right wing set up a hierarchy based on race. Mussolini's right wing set up a hierarchy based on…

Hitler was national socialist for a reason :) Mussolini roots are in left wing too and was sort of socialism without internazional element.

And yes, ultimately left wing is collectivist.

It is fair that people who contribute more get back more. Otherwise we have USSR style mess where people ain’t incentivised to contribute. Because people were getting same compensation regardless of their contribution. Although at the end of the day it did became fair - nobody contributed much.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by peoplefromibiza » Fri, Aug 26, 2022, 12:34 PM UTC

Amezarak wrote: post #385

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #382

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> Why do you think any country would handicap itself? why do you think I think that? As a person from Rome I have no respect for France. The point is not that secret services spy on each other, but that mass surveillance of the scale US has built has no equivalent in the west. They have been spying their citizen too. Televisions, smartphones and even anti-virus software are all vulnerable to CIA hacking, according to…

Multiple EU countries have mass surveillance programs and spy on their own citizens. One of my links described the French mass surveillance program in detail.

> Multiple EU countries have mass surveillance programs and spy on their own citizens

Stop saying things you can't prove.

> French mass surveillance program in detail.

not remotely in detail and not remotely close to what we call mass surveillance and not remotely close to what NSA does

from the article (which I have to suppose you haven't read, because it's in the first paragraph)

The agency intercepted signals from computers and phones in France as well as between France and other countries, looking not so much at content but to create a map of "who is talking to whom", the paper said.

The metadata from phone and internet use was stocked in a "gigantic database" which could be consulted by six French intelligence and security agencies as well as the police.

NSA don't simply look for metadata, they can simply ask Face.. ehm Meta for that (WhatsApp).

They actually look closely at the content.

The article also goes on saying that France haven't protested much about Prism because they have (assumingly) the largest system in Europe, after the Brits (that come way after the US)

So not "multiple countries in Europe" but a couple countries have put in place system that rivals with WhatsApp abilities to collect metadata, but WhatsApp obtain it from willing users.

Imagine what MS, Amazon, Apple, Google, Netflix, Oracle, and many other american corporations can collect for the NSA while hiding those activities as legit businesses and what that means for NSA: being free to focus only on everything else.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by Longhanks » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 11:20 AM UTC

t_mann wrote: post #342

Longhanks wrote: post #318

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Because, depending on the country, another government may be elected that will change the course. I can't elect anyone in the EU commission. Nor did I vote for my country to put the EU treaties above my constitution.

You also don't elect the members of your national government directly (in no country that I'm aware of, EU or otherwise, not even Switzerland). You're electing members of parliament and/or a president, who will then jointly appoint members of your national government, EU commissioners and a host of other political/judicial/administrative/... positions, in sometimes complicated processes. So your democratic choices af…

The constitution of Germany for example explicitly states that it is immediately rendered invalid the day the German people chooses to establish another, e.g. the ultimate power to govern the German people lies within the people.

This is a fundamental freedom the EU currently does not guarantee and putting the EU treaties above countries' constitutions is frankly incompatible with this clause.