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Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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It's fine to want the erosion of the nation-state, but Thiel specifically wants to replace it with a monarch, not a free society

He does? Where has he said that?

> As far back as 2004, Thiel lamented that “America’s constitutional machinery” prevents “any single ambitious person from reconstructing the old Republic.”

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Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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I'm seeing many people say you've blocked them without ever having interacted with you. Many have jumped to the conclusion that you simply block people who disagree with your politics. I don't tweet about SF politics, but after I tweeted this, you replied tell me it's funny but wrong, and then blocked me: https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1491167231467999236 Which is fine. I block plenty of people. I also mute peo…

I'm in the blocked club and have no idea why. Here's the one tweet I ever sent @garrytan, responding to his reply to me: https://twitter.com/nelson/status/1185919273065041925 . (I'm happy to report that business reopened with new owners and the rumor was the old owners just went broke.) I agree blocking people is fine and should be stigma free. But Mr. Tan's framing of his reasons for blocking seems at odds with the…

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Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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> After earning a degree in computer engineering from Stanford, Garry was an engineer at Palantir and then created one of the earliest and best-designed blogging platforms, Posterous. This is a reminder that Palantir is the firm that sells data mining software to US police and military organizations that then use it to violate human rights. It should be a black mark on anyone’s record.

> It should be a black mark on anyone’s record. Exactly. I have always maintained that a small but significant way to put pressure on 'evil' companies, like Palantir, is to blacklist any employees who have them on their resume, making it difficult for them to attract talent. Unfortunately, I have found that very people share that view, and I am hard-pressed to figure out why.

You don't create an ability to have redemption, forgiveness, rehabilitation, or regret. The first step to get someone to change their mind is to remove the dependency of them having an income on said philosophy, and one of the best ways to do that is to give them a chance to not work there anymore and move past it. By forcing them into an association ghetto, you create stronger supporters for the group you dislike, because they have no other options left.

Also everyone's personal set of shit companies doesn't overlap, so it's very easy for no one to get hired fairly quickly, and sometimes people chose the unpopular place out of necessity vs. choice at the time.

A large amount of employees people want to hire have probably worked at a company that people didn't like at one time or another. It's pretty easy to think of a set of nerds who don't like that you've worked at any one of google, microsoft, apple, amazon, facebook, netflix, robinhood, stripe, hospital system, any bank/finance/fintech, government, etc. Pretty much the only companies left are the ones that are not relevant enough to do anything to the world that would lead to someone being a hater in the first place.

Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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Please don't start this up again here, and please stop creating sockpuppet accounts. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32637821 .

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Please stop with the existing sockpuppets as well.

Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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I'm in the blocked club and have no idea why. Here's the one tweet I ever sent @garrytan, responding to his reply to me: https://twitter.com/nelson/status/1185919273065041925 . (I'm happy to report that business reopened with new owners and the rumor was the old owners just went broke.) I agree blocking people is fine and should be stigma free. But Mr. Tan's framing of his reasons for blocking seems at odds with the…

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Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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He does? Where has he said that?

> As far back as 2004, Thiel lamented that “America’s constitutional machinery” prevents “any single ambitious person from reconstructing the old Republic.” etc

That's not an example of what you claimed.

As far as I know the 'monarchy' dude is Yarvin. I'd be surprised if Thiel had publicly committed himself to anything so sophomoric, and it would be interesting to see an actual example.

Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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HOLY SHIT no way this is ridiculous, I just wanted to check something that sounded "crazy" and it's true. I liked about 5 anti @garrytan replies as a test and I am unable to tweet or retweet! What the fuck!!! Are you serious! Garry I pay for one of your fucking services I just wanted to check that these people were WRONG not that they were correct. What the hell.

I can't do shit on Twitter: https://imgur.com/a/OBnVpUI Cool! Ok so, confirmed. Garry Tan is a sinister guy. Glad I asked here! Edit: Sorry but how is this downvoted to zero? I have done nothing except add five "likes" to Twitter and my account is now banned there. This is insane. I was pro-or-neutral-Garry at the start of this convo, he was just the Posterous guy. Now my Twitter is gone. What the hell? Edit 2: uhh s…

It could simply be that twitter is having issues. I see weird stuff as well. ("something went wrong" messages all over the place).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32644427

Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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Twitter has been a tough one - I got involved in local politics which has been a challenge. Large accounts typically do have to block a lot to make it usable, and in particular I've had problems with folks doxxing my former home address (I had to sell that house and move), and making threats of violence against me. I'm sorry if I got it wrong, and I am happy to unblock if I did get it wrong.

I'm seeing many people say you've blocked them without ever having interacted with you. Many have jumped to the conclusion that you simply block people who disagree with your politics. I don't tweet about SF politics, but after I tweeted this, you replied tell me it's funny but wrong, and then blocked me: https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1491167231467999236 Which is fine. I block plenty of people. I also mute peo…

to be fair i block people too when i don't like their memes

Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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> It should be a black mark on anyone’s record. Exactly. I have always maintained that a small but significant way to put pressure on 'evil' companies, like Palantir, is to blacklist any employees who have them on their resume, making it difficult for them to attract talent. Unfortunately, I have found that very people share that view, and I am hard-pressed to figure out why.

You don't create an ability to have redemption, forgiveness, rehabilitation, or regret. The first step to get someone to change their mind is to remove the dependency of them having an income on said philosophy, and one of the best ways to do that is to give them a chance to not work there anymore and move past it. By forcing them into an association ghetto, you create stronger supporters for the group you dislike, b…

I definitely see your points. I would want to reserve sanctions for companies who are widely known to be evil so that anyone accepting a position there would know exactly what they are getting into. The main tech companies that come to mind as qualifying are Palantir, Clearview AI and ByteDance. But, yes, I agree that individuals' shitlists will never overlap.

I am still not hiring ex-Palantir people anytime soon, though. It would creep me out to look at them.

Re: Welcome Home, Garry Tan

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I guess everyone Garry has blocked on Twitter will not be applying to YC any time soon :)

Twitter has been a tough one - I got involved in local politics which has been a challenge. Large accounts typically do have to block a lot to make it usable, and in particular I've had problems with folks doxxing my former home address (I had to sell that house and move), and making threats of violence against me. I'm sorry if I got it wrong, and I am happy to unblock if I did get it wrong.

I have been blocked in your Twitter. We just had differences of opinion on certain things. I guess you might have under lot of stress at that time so I understand.
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