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The Big [Censored] Theory

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Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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The plus signifies support and acceptance of those who live with HIV.

I looked at 5 sources and could not verify this statement. Do you have any that state this?

>Some see the plus at the end of LGBTQIA+ to signify support and acceptance of those who live with HIV.

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-the-plus-in-lgbtqia-mean-...

Though I'll admit the contentiousness of this designation, I don't think the intent of "+" was to include incest.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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It's really interesting that such a bland, un-subversive show whose only mentions of sensitive topics are in bad throwaway jokes is so heavily censored. I guess a more interesting show would just not get aired at all.

Personally I'm mostly offended how stale and unoriginal a lot of these jokes are, but I can definitely see why the censors took offense at some of them. For example, the joke about the Chinese restaurant ("I'd be more concerned about what they're passing off as chicken") plays off of the stereotype that Chinese people eat dogs and cats, and the “passing off” remark implies that the Chinese restaurant owners are decep…

> can definitely see why the censors took offense at some of them

Take offense maybe… censor absolutely not

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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It's a deeper level of censorship. Not only will you refrain from thinking about these things in a tolerant light, you will refrain from thinking about these things at all. It chops pieces off reality when you do that. Censorship is amazing. So popular (downvotes anyone?), so casually employed, yet so incredibly destructive.

Indeed. It seems to have had the effect of removing pieces of reality. I had a conversation once with a Chinese national, about an article about LGBTQ+ people in China. "There's no Gay people in China" (me, points at a picture of 2 young Chinese men in the article) "They're from Hong Kong. There's no Gay people in China." OK then! (This was quite a while back, I suspect the same conversation today would play out diff…

What a bizarre and ridiculous view to form based on one conversation.

I'm sure you can find plenty of people in the west who believe stupid things. Does that mean that western countries are "removing pieces of reality"?

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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> The obsession with sex seems like an example of horseshoe theory to me. The political left is supposed to be very sex-positive, but...

I think China in general is a good example of why the 1D, and even 2D political spectrum is a bullshit abstraction.

> authoritarian communist regimes were/are so far left that they kind of wrapped around and became conservative

Placing autocratic "communist" states on the same axis as modern feminist professors makes about as much sense as placing someone like Peter Theil on the same axis as Hitler, in both cases one would have literally killed the other.

One doesn't go from tolerating gay people to persecuting gay people the more "left" they are.

> Stalin was very prudish about sex, so maybe they just don't fit into the same political spectrum

Or maybe tolerance of gay people and "leftness" are actually completely separate variables that we only lump together because we're trying to project our modern ideologies onto historical figures

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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It's a deeper level of censorship. Not only will you refrain from thinking about these things in a tolerant light, you will refrain from thinking about these things at all. It chops pieces off reality when you do that. Censorship is amazing. So popular (downvotes anyone?), so casually employed, yet so incredibly destructive.

Actually, I think there's a more benign reason and that is references to those kinds of things are just a bit below bar for normally civil programming. If you've ever watched the banal things that people go through to get something past daytime censors, or, get a PG rating for films etc. it's similar. This is not 'Xi's authoritarian' system so much as 'different cultural standards of the moment'. Respect that in some…

I wonder how China protects its censors from wrong ideas (seeing as how they must necessarily come into contact with it). Extra indoctrination? Some kind of surveillance layercake?

I read a scifi where digital personality-recordings became popular for various office/industrial applications. Sorta like an AI, but human. They were used for censorship. The remedy for ideological contamination? Full reboot every morning.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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post #57

It's really interesting that such a bland, un-subversive show whose only mentions of sensitive topics are in bad throwaway jokes is so heavily censored. I guess a more interesting show would just not get aired at all.

Personally I'm mostly offended how stale and unoriginal a lot of these jokes are, but I can definitely see why the censors took offense at some of them. For example, the joke about the Chinese restaurant ("I'd be more concerned about what they're passing off as chicken") plays off of the stereotype that Chinese people eat dogs and cats, and the “passing off” remark implies that the Chinese restaurant owners are decep…

> I dare you to show that scene at a liberal college and notice how few laughs you get.

Yeah, the show isn't that funny.

>For example, the joke about the Chinese restaurant ("I'd be more concerned about what they're passing off as chicken") plays off of the stereotype that Chinese people eat dogs and cats, and the “passing off” remark implies that the Chinese restaurant owners are deceptive and would immorally and illegally serve their guests a different kind of meat than advertised. I can definitely see how that joke would be considered offensive.

I hadn't considered the cat/dog meat angle, thank you for the perspective. In that case, I'd probably cut it too. I was thinking more of chicken nuggets, where a dozen birds are liquified and poured into a mold.

Like if you ordered the pork and was served a hotdog, the "passing off as" bit would still work, you know?

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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This idea can be easily reversed: It's a deeper level of indoctrination. When these things are covertly inserted in an innocuous sounding show, not only will you start thinking about them, you will subconsiously think of them in a tolerant light. China has its own culture and mores, why should it allow that kind of soft projection of Western power.

> China has its own culture and mores Correction: Xi and the CCP have their own culture and mores The people, though, want to see The Big Bang Theory uncensored. The people are different from Xi . They don't want the same things as he (except for the ones Xi has successfully brainwashed, or those who have a highly tribal brain). > why should it allow that kind of soft projection That sounds paranoid, I hope you don't…

Good thing we have HN user cutemonster to tell us what the Chinese people want.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Interesting to see what passes for a joke on The Big Bang Theory. I knew the show was bad but wow. Perhaps just as surprising is the author's suggestion that a xenophobic remark about a Chinese restaurant is "harmless". I'm not even particularly sensitive when it comes to race relations, but that's just such a negative stereotype it's hard to ignore.

I despise Chinese censorship, but I would support the Chinese government blocking The Big Bang Theory purely on the grounds that it stinks.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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I wouldn't take China as necessarily embodying left wing economics (there's obviously a lot of capitalism going on over there and their society doesn't seem all that equal).

There isn't any obvious correlation between left wing economics and social progressiveness other than the coincidental alliance that has occurred in the US. Authoritarian communist regimes were, obviously, authoritarian.

And finally, "sex positivity" and dumb sitcom sexual jokes aren't really the same thing. They often have "man stupidly objectifies woman," "having same-gender parents is inherently funny," "man is an idiot because boobs," or if you go back to like the 80's, "man has poor understanding of consent" as a punchline. These aren't progressive ideas.

So in conclusion, no at every level.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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I find that it's always interesting to THEN consider, okay -- while there's no centralized board or anything -- what does e.g. American censorship go after?

The American way is voluntary self-censorship for commercial purposes. This makes it much harder to say what exactly is allowed and not, because it is easy to see what scenes have been cut from a show but it is impossible to say what scenes was never written or produced.

Even blatant censorship like the Hayes Code or the Comics Code was never enforced by the government and therefore never in conflict with the 5th amendment. It was a voluntary "certification" manged by the industry itself, which just meant movies/comics not adhering to the code would not get a mainstream audience. So the code was implemented from the writing stage.

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