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What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by zen_1 »

treeman79 wrote: post #20
jacooper wrote: post #15

The entire state is built on illegality and thugs. Israel is an illegal occupation started by the British government, that turned into an Apartheid occupation later on. They still want the world to believe they are Democratic, while they lack a single thing of a real democracy. Their propaganda machine is what kept it alive. They turned antisemitism to basically being anti-israel and anti-occupation, pretending to be…

Well Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all. By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.

Defending themselves from a genocide in Europe by ethnically cleansing Palestinians? You have a curious way of defining defense.

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by hpcjoe »

tarakat wrote: post #30
treeman79 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all. By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.

"Europe"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't more than half of Europe fight, kill, and die to stop the dictator that was killing Jews? But you'd rather the whole continent feels guilty, instead of proud of their sacrifices?

I look at what transpired during the Evian conference[1]. Yeah, I really don't have much sympathy for europeans not wanting to feel guilty. Sins of the father, sure. But they continue the hostile-to-jews policies and actions to this date.

So yeah, if they feel guilty and ashamed of what their fore bearers did ... mebbe ... just mebbe ... they should rethink their behavior of joining with avowed jew haters to persecute the only jewish state.

Maybe.

It is also important to point out that the Europeans opposed the dictator. They did little/nothing to stop the atrocities. That they knew were happening. They could have bombed railways. They didn't (US didn't either). They could have bombed the camps. They didn't.

They focused on defeating an expansionist dictator who was taking over their lands. Anything else was secondary at best.

Given how the jews were treated immediately after the war, in the refugee camps and who would take them in ... yeah, again, the europeans (and my own US) get no sympathy from me for feeling "guilty". They were guilty.

[1] https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-...

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by sstein0 »

ethotool wrote: post #9
fffobar wrote: post #4

The most fascinating fact about the state of Israel is that it is in an on-again-off-again state of war for something like the last 4000 years. I cannot fathom how is it possible for neither sides to win, especially the broadly speaking Arab side. Now with the nuclear arsenal and the very competent military they'll most likely survive at least till the first nuclear war, whenever that happens.

Palestinians lived there for over 2000 years. Mainly Muslims and Christians but also a small percentage of Palestinian Jews (1%). It wasn’t until Zionisim and the movement that was first founded before WWI who conspired with the British to illegally take over Palestinian lands and expel over 750,000 refugees to neighboring countries.

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Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by hpcjoe »

zen_1 wrote: post #31
treeman79 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all. By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.

Defending themselves from a genocide in Europe by ethnically cleansing Palestinians? You have a curious way of defining defense.

Comparing the plight of the arabs to the holocaust is a terrible injustice to the real holocaust victims. One group was systematically hunted down, murdered for who they were, assets stolen and distributed with legal fights going on to this day to recover them, children and women slaughtered for the joy of their tormentors .... to people who were ordered to flee their homes by their leaders, and then denied re-entry by the new political entity.

One of these things is completely, absolutely different than the other.

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by jacooper »

treeman79 wrote: post #20
jacooper wrote: post #15

The entire state is built on illegality and thugs. Israel is an illegal occupation started by the British government, that turned into an Apartheid occupation later on. They still want the world to believe they are Democratic, while they lack a single thing of a real democracy. Their propaganda machine is what kept it alive. They turned antisemitism to basically being anti-israel and anti-occupation, pretending to be…

Well Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all. By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.

And what do Palestinians have to do with that?

Jews came as refugees to Palestine in 1940s, and they were welcomed, just like how Christians and Muslims live in peace in Palestine.

Its an extremely important land for all ibrahimic religions.

But you don't come as a refuge, then turn as an occupation because "oh they did it to me so I need to do it to you so I can be safe!!!"

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by ethotool »

hpcjoe wrote: post #32
tarakat wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Europe"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't more than half of Europe fight, kill, and die to stop the dictator that was killing Jews? But you'd rather the whole continent feels guilty, instead of proud of their sacrifices?

I look at what transpired during the Evian conference[1]. Yeah, I really don't have much sympathy for europeans not wanting to feel guilty. Sins of the father, sure. But they continue the hostile-to-jews policies and actions to this date. So yeah, if they feel guilty and ashamed of what their fore bearers did ... mebbe ... just mebbe ... they should rethink their behavior of joining with avowed jew haters to persecut…

So explain to us then how Zelensky is allied with Azov in Ukraine?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by hpcjoe »

hpcjoe wrote: post #32
tarakat wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Europe"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't more than half of Europe fight, kill, and die to stop the dictator that was killing Jews? But you'd rather the whole continent feels guilty, instead of proud of their sacrifices?

I look at what transpired during the Evian conference[1]. Yeah, I really don't have much sympathy for europeans not wanting to feel guilty. Sins of the father, sure. But they continue the hostile-to-jews policies and actions to this date. So yeah, if they feel guilty and ashamed of what their fore bearers did ... mebbe ... just mebbe ... they should rethink their behavior of joining with avowed jew haters to persecut…

With respect to the non-sequitur of the Azov bit, it is completely unrelated to this discussion.

That is ... unless you have a problem with ... I dunno ... jews?

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by ethotool »

hpcjoe wrote: post #32
tarakat wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Europe"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't more than half of Europe fight, kill, and die to stop the dictator that was killing Jews? But you'd rather the whole continent feels guilty, instead of proud of their sacrifices?

I look at what transpired during the Evian conference[1]. Yeah, I really don't have much sympathy for europeans not wanting to feel guilty. Sins of the father, sure. But they continue the hostile-to-jews policies and actions to this date. So yeah, if they feel guilty and ashamed of what their fore bearers did ... mebbe ... just mebbe ... they should rethink their behavior of joining with avowed jew haters to persecut…

Or you won’t answer the question because you know the answer..? Your logic is flawed and makes no sense. Typical though, these regurgitated talking points are not unusual ;)

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by achenet »

ethotool wrote: post #22
achenet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

disagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

Palestinians are still suffering today as we speak. Why don’t you show me human rights abuses that have been happening for 80 years and are still ongoing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor...

Slavery in the American colonies went from ~1526 to 1776 (250 years), plus another ~90 years post independence. Palestinians can still vote, and are considered to be actual people, with the right to self-determination.

Also, Soviet Union, China.

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Post by ethotool »

hpcjoe wrote: post #34
zen_1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defending themselves from a genocide in Europe by ethnically cleansing Palestinians? You have a curious way of defining defense.

Comparing the plight of the arabs to the holocaust is a terrible injustice to the real holocaust victims. One group was systematically hunted down, murdered for who they were, assets stolen and distributed with legal fights going on to this day to recover them, children and women slaughtered for the joy of their tormentors .... to people who were ordered to flee their homes by their leaders, and then denied re-entry…

Not really. Sounds exactly like what the Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians since they confiscated their lands.
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