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What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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IMO when all is said and done the human rights abuses against the Palestinians will go down as one of the worst in history.

As terrible as they are, the abuses against Palestinian are tragically banal, it's just men performing yet another ethnic cleansing of one land they consider their own, and not even by the “worse” methods (deprivation of rights, and deportation, which are arguably less bad than straight massacres).

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IMO when all is said and done the human rights abuses against the Palestinians will go down as one of the worst in history.

disagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

Palestinians are still suffering today as we speak. Why don’t you show me human rights abuses that have been happening for 80 years and are still ongoing?

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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The most fascinating fact about the state of Israel is that it is in an on-again-off-again state of war for something like the last 4000 years. I cannot fathom how is it possible for neither sides to win, especially the broadly speaking Arab side. Now with the nuclear arsenal and the very competent military they'll most likely survive at least till the first nuclear war, whenever that happens.

What nation is not in an on-again-off-again state of war throughout its existence? I think that may be the rule, not the exception.

Fair point. I guess the difference is the lack of strategic alliances throughout the history with anyone in the area. There were tactical alliances, even with Iran somewhat recently (Operation Opera), but nothing long lasting and "solid". In other words, the environment has always been pretty hostile.

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The most fascinating fact about the state of Israel is that it is in an on-again-off-again state of war for something like the last 4000 years. I cannot fathom how is it possible for neither sides to win, especially the broadly speaking Arab side. Now with the nuclear arsenal and the very competent military they'll most likely survive at least till the first nuclear war, whenever that happens.

Palestinians lived there for over 2000 years. Mainly Muslims and Christians but also a small percentage of Palestinian Jews (1%). It wasn’t until Zionisim and the movement that was first founded before WWI who conspired with the British to illegally take over Palestinian lands and expel over 750,000 refugees to neighboring countries.

Source for the historical "facts" ? I'd love to read up on this.

The 750k refugees "expelled" (overwhelming historical documentary evidence exists of the vast majority leaving as a result of their leaders telling them to leave so they could kill the jews, and then let them come back) seems to omit the 850k (again historically well documented) jews expelled from arab lands post 1948.

Simple google searches will provide sources to the historical material I referenced.

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern state of Israel declared its independence in 1948 (and was immediately attacked by all of its neighbors, something which re-occurred multiple times). The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years. As archaeological evidence continues to demonstrate.

> The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years With a ~2500 year gap between the fall of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah and the 1948 modern state.

And continuous presence of jews in that land for the entire time.

Your point?

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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The entire state is built on illegality and thugs. Israel is an illegal occupation started by the British government, that turned into an Apartheid occupation later on. They still want the world to believe they are Democratic, while they lack a single thing of a real democracy. Their propaganda machine is what kept it alive. They turned antisemitism to basically being anti-israel and anti-occupation, pretending to be…

Well Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all. By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern state of Israel declared its independence in 1948 (and was immediately attacked by all of its neighbors, something which re-occurred multiple times). The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years. As archaeological evidence continues to demonstrate.

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Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palestinians lived there for over 2000 years. Mainly Muslims and Christians but also a small percentage of Palestinian Jews (1%). It wasn’t until Zionisim and the movement that was first founded before WWI who conspired with the British to illegally take over Palestinian lands and expel over 750,000 refugees to neighboring countries.

Source for the historical "facts" ? I'd love to read up on this. The 750k refugees "expelled" (overwhelming historical documentary evidence exists of the vast majority leaving as a result of their leaders telling them to leave so they could kill the jews, and then let them come back) seems to omit the 850k (again historically well documented) jews expelled from arab lands post 1948. Simple google searches will provid…

The "Arab leaders told the Palestinians to flee" line is an old and tired piece of zionist propaganda, mostly used to "justify" the double standard of barring Palestinians whose grandparents were expelled (by claiming they left of their own flee will) from returning to Palestine, while extending the right of return to foreign Jews whose last ancestors who lived in the region most likely did so under the Roman empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian...

I fail to see why anyone would need to encourage Palestinians to flee, when they were subject to ethnic cleansing such as at Deir Yassin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Re: What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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The entire state is built on illegality and thugs. Israel is an illegal occupation started by the British government, that turned into an Apartheid occupation later on. They still want the world to believe they are Democratic, while they lack a single thing of a real democracy. Their propaganda machine is what kept it alive. They turned antisemitism to basically being anti-israel and anti-occupation, pretending to be…

Well Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all. By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.

"Europe"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't more than half of Europe fight, kill, and die to stop the dictator that was killing Jews? But you'd rather the whole continent feels guilty, instead of proud of their sacrifices?
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