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Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure most dev work is single threaded. Test suites can be multithreaded/multiprocess and so can compiling, just for two examples.

* IDE * Docker daemon * backend container * frontend container * database container * local web server * browser with Gitlab, Slack, Email, etc. No idea how dev work is suppsed to be mostly single-threaded.

Vim is single threaded right?

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Please excuse the long-winded answer... I have also given up on Apple, but mostly because I can't see the value in it anymore, otherwise my experience with them has been satisfactory (Intel CPU models). For the past few years I used a Microsoft Surface Pro because it seemed to have good build quality and high screen resolution, but despite this I have had to replace it as part of a recall due to a graphics hardware i…

The M1/M2 Macbooks are a total game-changer. You made your switch in the Intel era. I certainly get that because it was the dark days of the pointless Touch Bar and the awful butterfly keyboard. But now an M2 Macbook Air for $1500-2000 (depending on options) is hard to beat. The only complaint seems to be in heat distribution. Some people use a cheap heat spreader on their desk. Apple definitely chose a stylish packa…

> M1/M2 MBs are a big step up from the Intel MBs to a comment about laptop recommendations and you get a bunch of commentless downvotes.

I don't get it, either. What Apple did with the M1 is nothing short of incredible. I bought a stock M1 Air (as in, 8 GB RAM model, since that's what stores carry) as my personal laptop a few months after launch, and could not be happier. The _only_ time I've experienced any issues was in running Minikube, and that was solved by installing Docker Desktop - on Intel, I use hyperkit to avoid that. I think hyperkit supports M1s now anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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You don't say where you are located, but unless you are in one of the few places where Dell doesn't offer on-site next business day support then XPS 13 is a great laptop. Their support is amazing: "We're not sure what is causing it, but we'll send someone to replace the whole motherboard tomorrow." "OH, your currently halfway across the world on a island? No problem, we'll be there tomorrow" I really don't understand…

The company I work for used to buy XPS's for upper management and C-levels. We stopped because every single one of them had their batteries bulge so bad they popped out the keyboards and trackpads. At first we thought it was a problem of traveling with them in standby, but then it started happening on users' desks. Other Dell laptops don't have such a problem, it has to be something with the XPS design.

It happened fairly often to the 2015-2016ish era XPSs. Afaik they fixed whatever issue was causing it

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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ASUS OLED Zenbook Ryzen 5900 + Manjaro. Perf benchmarks compare to an M1 at half the price. The Wifi network card driver doesn't handle hibernates too well, so you need to disable your network manually before (Or replace the network adapter card as some have done).

> you need to disable your network manually before (Or replace the network adapter card as some have done) Really annoying that it doesn't work out of the box. but can't your solution be automated with systemd?

Excellent idea

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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I tried a surface and it's a sh*tshow.

Linux support is bad and windows is a joke.

I'm thinking the framework laptop if I really have too - but at this point my main problem is battery longevity. I don't think I would buy a non arm laptop at this point, so apple it is.

That said, I don't like the idea of buying apple too and that's why I'm buying just a desktop pc

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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My personal laptop is Dell XPS13 Developer ed. It's nearly a year old and works like a charm I can install anything I want, I can watch whatever. Battery wise last a lot.. 5-8h average depending on what I'm doing. At work I'm force to use a MacBook, a lot of dev tools don't work very well or doesn't work, every dev has different weird issues, every other day we have a different thing that doesn't work some of us had…

2 hour battery life on a Mac? That’s approaching unbelievable unless they are a decade old.

if it's 2 hours that's almost certainly gonna be one of the Intel macbooks, and probably several years old at that. The new Apple Silicon ones have batteries running for many times that easily.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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I'm joining the discussion late, but can convey my experience with HP Omen 16 (Advantage Edition). My primary requirement was full sizes cursor keys, and the PgUp/Down, Home/End/Insert/Delete keys. Proper keys are essential for developers. The keyboard is very good. The laptop has a full set of I/O (including 3 USB-A connectors). AMD Advantage Edition has proper Linux driver support (no nVidia), and the built in Vega is OK for low power mode.

However, the laptop is not without it's flaws. The power supply is a chunky brick, there is a driver bug with the Elan Touchpad (so you're constantly hitting Fn-F11 to disable/reneable touch pad when you dont have a mouse), and the dolts put a Pause key where Delete is (and put delete on top row, to the right of power button). The designer should be hit with a bag of potatoes, it's idiotic.

Otherwise, great silent laptop, works well in Windows 11, Linux and even Haiku (minus an ACPI powerup delay, but once it finally boots, it flies).

7 out of 10. (-1 for Pause/Delete/Power key placement, -1 for Elan Touchpad drivers, and -1 for placing 4 stupid stickers on the palm rest area). 7 out of 10 may look low, however I'd give other laptops an even lower score. My old 2014 MacBookPro would get 8 out of 10, and that is the best laptop I ever had. Sadly, not suitable in 2022.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Thinkpads are very good, I almost got myself one after around 5 years of working on macbooks, but in the end I got myself zephyrus g14 (2022 model). Surprisingly good battery life, good display (anti glare as well) and keyboard, amazing touchpad (very similar to macbook's one) and I actually like how win11 works on laptops after spending one day on tweaking settings and looks. Fantastic machine that performs as well as, or even better than, maxed out 14" mbp

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For my next laptop, I'm waiting for Framework Can the Framework laptop be powered via USB-C or are they still using power jacks like in the 20th century?

Actually I strongly hate the laptops that can be powered only via USB-C, blocking thus a very useful I/O port, unless you also carry with you a docking station. Powering via USB-C would be OK only on laptops with at least 4 or 5 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, but such laptops are non-existent. Laptops with only 2 USB-C ports, where 1 is blocked by the charger, are useless for me. When I have access to a power plug, I usual…

> > Can the Framework laptop be powered via USB-C or are they still using power jacks like in the 20th century?

> Powering via USB-C would be OK only on laptops with at least 4 or 5 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, but such laptops are non-existent.

Isn't the Framework an example of a laptop with 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports? (IIRC, there's also some Apple laptop model with 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports on each side, for a total of 4, said model being infamous for having performance problems whenever a charger is plugged on the "wrong" side.)

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