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Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Any idea if Lenovo has fixed the coil whine issues on X1 Carbon's? The constant noise makes it really difficult to use these machines for any kind of focused work.

I'll vouch for multiple X1C gen 9's being super quiet. No whine; fans rarely kick on, but are almost unnoticeable. Can't say the same for the Extreme/P1 series...

My X1C gen 9 fans are definitely not quiet when they start kicking in. Maybe this is a Linux-specific issue though.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Laptops are all together awful. I can't imagine working on one for more than a few hours. My self built desktop blows any laptop out of the water in speed, comfort, reliability, upgrade / repair potential and ergonomics (obviously ignoring portability).

I cannot imagine sitting in one place when working. I move, with my laptop, from desk to the couch to the outside table to the gym to the coffee shop to the bar. If I had a desktop, it would gather dust in 2 seconds flat.

But then you did say ignoring portability, so it depends what you value most, as most things do.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Since you know the product (frame.work) well: how does one get the specifications page?! Last time I checked, they (notebookcheck.net) said it used a glossy display instead of matte; I cannot find a specifications table in the frame.work website and the closest thing I got is in the "Marketplace Parts" section, e.g. at https://frame.work/products/display-kit - where the non-trivial, simply critical detail of glossy v…

Matte displays are just glossy displays with a coating that disperses light. You can achieve the same effect by adding a layer. Something like this: https://viascreens.com/screen-protectors/framework/ However turning a matte display into a glossy one isn't possible. FYI, https://community.frame.work/t/matte-screen-please/577/114 .

Sometimes the display is so closed to the keyboard when closed that adding any layer is going to damage the display. Macs are good example, you can regularly see keyboard imprints on the display even when there are no additional layers.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/keyboard-marks-on-displ...

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Sorry if this was already mentioned, a quick search didn't turn up exact matches to what would be my $0.02.

A simple and relatively safe option would be to go into a computer store that has many machines that can also be tried. Look for a machine with something like 11th gen Intel or AMD 5600U/5800U CPU-s with enough RAM for your needs and decent build quality – this is why it'd be the best to do it in person.

If you find a machine you're happy with regarding its specs and build quality, just throw a reliable GNU+Linux OS on it (Debian with Budgie has been my go-to choice lately), and enjoy your hardware. If you plan on gaming, AMD discrete GPUs will cause less headaches, but nVidia drivers can also be easily installed if you follow the tutorial for your distro of choice.

TLDR: 1–2 year old hardware in a decent chassis running GNU+Linux will likely make you pretty happy for a lot less money.

EDIT: I see Dell being recommended everywhere... All the dead motherboards I've seen in laptops were only in Dells. If you choose a Dell, be sure to get some excellent return policy with it, but even then you may be left without a laptop for a while in the case of failure. This is not the case with business-oriented models though, but Asus, Lenovo, MSI, and even Clevo have proven to be more reliable in my experience. The build quality vaires between brands and model lines, so that you need to experience in person.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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I can see why people idealistically want the device but mine is really not up to being a usable production device. The wonky design of the “modules” means they’re practically useless, the hardware has almost endlessly has stability and issues with bricking, it has never once given me confidence in almost any respect. I want to love the thing and there’s nice features about the product, but I’d hesitate to suggest any…

I'm writing this with buyer's remorse on my Framework. It's a huge step down from my previous Thinkpads. The battery life is atrocious - a night in modern standby drains the battery from 80% to 35%. Outside the office battery life is a constant worry, I mostly use it docked these days. The display hinge is wobbly - when I lift my Framework from my lap on a table it often folds back 180 degrees. Very annoying. In gene…

I believe the hinge is a known issue on earlier models and you can get a replacement from Framework.

Probably start here: https://community.frame.work/t/explainer-lid-rigidity-hinge-...

Key section: "However, we identified that for a period of time last fall, our hinge supplier shipped a subset of hinges with forces below our accepted spec range. We’ve since added additional tests both at the hinge supplier and at our laptop assembly site to prevent out of spec hinges from shipping out. If you have a laptop where the lid angle drops on its own while the laptop is stationary, write into support with a video of it, and we’ll send you a new Hinge Kit."

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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I can see why people idealistically want the device but mine is really not up to being a usable production device. The wonky design of the “modules” means they’re practically useless, the hardware has almost endlessly has stability and issues with bricking, it has never once given me confidence in almost any respect. I want to love the thing and there’s nice features about the product, but I’d hesitate to suggest any…

I'm writing this with buyer's remorse on my Framework. It's a huge step down from my previous Thinkpads. The battery life is atrocious - a night in modern standby drains the battery from 80% to 35%. Outside the office battery life is a constant worry, I mostly use it docked these days. The display hinge is wobbly - when I lift my Framework from my lap on a table it often folds back 180 degrees. Very annoying. In gene…

> The display hinge is wobbly

I don’t own a framework, but will probably get one at some point. This issue, at least, has been fixed. You can swap the hinges out for the new ones— not sure if it’s a free fix or not, though.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Not OP, but I've heard great things about the Asus ROG Zephyrus line, and that's what I'll probably get when i refresh my current Asus laptop which id approaching 8 years.

Asus rog laptops have high pitched, loud fans that run while idle. The trackpad is also terrible.

I have a ROG Strix (12th gen intel) and no whine. Been using WSL so far but need to try again to see how well Linux runs on it.

Overall, its been a solid machine so far and had sufficient battery life for me to program on flights half-way across the US without concern. My only regrets are I wish the thunderbolt port used the integrated gpu (never need discrete and sometimes windows gets stuck switching) and no webcam.

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