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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by jshen »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #668
jshen wrote: post #616

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If I publish a book, and the local Barnes and Noble doesn’t carry it, that’s not censorship or suppression, right? I see FB as the same thing, choosing not to distribute something is not censorship or suppression unless we dilute the meaning of those words to the point that they don’t mean a whole lot. Also, Facebook has deleted things that are overtly sexual for as long as I can remember. I find it odd that all of t…

What if Barnes and Noble agreed to carry it, but then refused to put it on the shelves, and left your book in the box in the back because they didn't like your political message, and wanted to deny you the ability to make money. >Also, Facebook has deleted things that are overtly sexual for as long as I can remember. I find it odd that all of the people complaining about “censorship” never complain about that or thin…

I’m not talking about child porn. I’m talking about a woman promoting her own only fans site. Deciding that they don’t want to distribute that is just as much a free speech issue as the one you are talking about. You don’t get to cherry pick your pet issue and claim that free speech only applies to that.

FB distributes content, and they are always making an editorial judgement if they aren’t using a simple chronological order algorithm.

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Post by andy_ppp »

ModernMech wrote: post #623
oldgradstudent wrote: post #622

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> 4) your idea that this is politically motivated is not proven, it’s a conspiracy theory and one I don’t even know how you’d prove it Of course it is difficult without the power to compel discovery and depositions. I think the circumstantial evidence is quite strong, though. For some reason, the term "conspiracy theory" is never applied to things which are clear conspiracy theories like the claims about Russian Coll…

> I think the circumstantial evidence is quite strong, though. It's quite mysterious to me why anyone would believe the FBI, an organization that has never been directed by a Democrat in its entire existence, would be politically motivated to tilt the scales toward Democrats. It just doesn't pass the laugh test. > For some reason, the term "conspiracy theory" is never applied to things which are clear conspiracy theo…

I just said today I still can’t believe that the Republicans are this far gone they don’t want to protect America from foreign adversaries getting involved in democracy. It’s very scary how direct the involvement of Trump was and I’m certain he was very carefully handled while president as presumably the security services considered him completely compromised. He may still yet try a coop in the US a second time around. The first thing he’ll do is replace all the heads of the military.

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Post by bo1024 »

philipov wrote: post #469
bo1024 wrote: post #400

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You seem to be thinking of author, not publisher. Lots of publishers publish material they didn’t write themselves, they’re still publishers when they do that.

What is the difference between being a publisher and being a distributor?

I'm not sure in the digital world what the difference is. I would think of Akamai or Comcast as a distributor, maybe.

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Post by tekknik »

myko wrote: post #660
colordrops wrote: post #202

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In the interview Zuckerberg has all the facts down until Rogan asks him to what degree they limited the article, for which Zuckerberg developed a sudden case of amnesia, indicating that they probably limited it a lot .

> indicating that they probably limited it a lot. That's not the case. The FBI spoke to Zuckerberg prior to the phony laptop story dropping! Facebook thought the story looked suspicious (because it is) which is why they chose not to amplify it. Please read the article, specifically this comment is illuminating: `He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it…

> the phony laptop story

> the story looked suspicious (because it is)

I’d love to hear this side of it.

> they chose not to amplify it

do you see a problem with this?

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Post by tekknik »

didibus wrote: post #200
epgui wrote: post #113

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I suggest reading the articles before writing in the comments: > Facebook did not completely ban sharing of the article, but instead limited how much its algorithm automatically shared it to other people for a week, while third-party fact-checkers tried to verify the reporting. So while people could post the article and discuss it, it was less likely to spread organically to new users.

Also seems reasonable to me to want to do some due diligence before it reaches number 1 and gets pushed to everyone by your own algorithms. Traditional journalism used to require some level of due diligence. They waited to know if it could be real before allowing it to spread. At least as I understood, the algorithm tweak only lasted 1 week and then was reversed once the story sounded more probable.

The different here is FB is not a publisher. If they were, then they’d have many more laws to follow with user generated content. FB is a distributor of user generated content. That’s all. There should be no decision making at all on their part.

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Post by tekknik »

astura wrote: post #491
xhxjcur wrote: post #366

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We didn't. Facebook used to just be a timeline feed of all your friends interactions. The day they changed to an algorithm is the day I said this crap is the end result and closed my account. I guess y'all missed the message.

Creating a throwaway account to brag about deleting your Facebook account really is peak HN.

Commenting on someone creating a throwaway is also peak HN. Who cares? Maybe they have a reason?

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Post by tekknik »

hoffs wrote: post #368
jongjong wrote: post #331

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Their algorithms don't just target specific topics, they target specific individuals too. Certain individuals have their social media content promoted while others have their social media content suppressed. I suspect that people are promoted or suppressed based on their stance towards the current power structure. If you say positive things about people in power and corporate entities, your content will reach more pe…

Or maybe people just don't care about some people and they aren't popular

Given the blatant corruption on display from one party on a near daily basis, buying votes with tax payer money and sicking the FBI on their political enemies? Yea sure, it’s got nothing to do with being on the wrong side.

“we must win at any and all costs”

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Post by mdrzn »

INTPenis wrote: post #224

Did no one else react to when Mark said they have "files" on people? It was in the context of someone trying to run a facebook page anonymously and he said Facebook will look at their file to determine if they're a bot or not. Meaning the file on the person running the page, that they already have. At least that's how I interpreted it but no one else seems to be talking about this. I mean it's not surprising, it woul…

If your facebook page (fanpage, not profiles) has more than 1k followers you are required to use Geolocation data and send a copy of your ID, so they definitely have "files" on you.

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Post by someguydave »

ericmay wrote: post #560
someguydave wrote: post #526

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> It’s hard to imagine, say, the US military being audited by an independent authority that is able to look at classified documents like battle plans, or new weapons technologies. It's easy to imagine if you restore the Constitutional authority of civilian management of the military (and all other aspects of government). A reasonably responsible US voter should have nothing hidden from them, even military secrets. >I…

> I'm sorry, how many secret military documents have you personally seen? Quite a few. I was on active duty in the US Army and deployed to Iraq where we planned and conducted air assault and VIP transport missions. I also had TS-SCI clearance. > It's easy to imagine if you restore the Constitutional authority of civilian management of the military (and all other aspects of government). A reasonably responsible US vot…

>Quite a few

Good, then you know that everything classified is only for protecting important things and not hiding embarrassing things right?

>Yea sure. Totally. Nuclear secrets, CIA operative locations, all plans and contingencies and movement of assets across the globe.

Why not? The point of a clearance is to prevent foreign spying, not government oversight. Do you not believe all Americans are equal before the law?

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Post by someguydave »

pstuart wrote: post #551
someguydave wrote: post #408

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But it was a true story? You don’t want to hear about true bad things if they are about people you like?

My (current) understanding of the truth: * Hunter Biden was (is?) a drug addict * Hunter Biden has done stuff to be ashamed of * Hunter Biden got a board member seat on Burisma because of who his dad is * Content (some percentage) on the laptop in question came from Hunter Biden I could do this all day long, because I have no partisan loyalty/ideology binding me. I care about corruption regardless of which party is c…

I think the politcaly relevant points were:

* Hunter Biden appeared to have sold access to Joe Biden to Chinese officials

And suppressing that story before the election was a form of “election interference”

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