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Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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post #76

Switch to Linux. Using MacOS locks you into proprietary hardware. By focusing on the software rather than the hardware, you can switch hardware manufactures as they oscillate in quality. Going with something like NixOS would make this even easier as your operating system setup could easily be migrated to another machine when the time comes.

While NixOS in principle would make switching between hardware manufacturers easier, working with NixOS is anything but easy. Don't expect to run anything that isn't packaged. Don't expect packaging some binary blob for NixOS is easy.

I've found it to be a ton easier than RPM or deb files. Not much ceremony - a binary can sometimes be packaged with a dozen lines of config.

The problem isn't that it's not easy. It is easy. The problem is that it's an entirely new ecosystem and language, and takes time to learn. But it's worth it.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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ASUS OLED Zenbook Ryzen 5900 + Manjaro. Perf benchmarks compare to an M1 at half the price. The Wifi network card driver doesn't handle hibernates too well, so you need to disable your network manually before (Or replace the network adapter card as some have done).

Do you have sound? Both speakers and microphone? It seems to not be handled too well yet.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

#93
Lenovo's paid warranty has been fantastic for me in the multiple countries where I've used it (Sweden, Hong Kong and Mexico). In all three they sent out a local service technician that fixed the problem on-site.

Once it was a a worn out SSD that was replaced with one twice as big as that was the only thing they had in stock (Sweden), another time it was a broken connector on the motherboard (Hong Kong) and the third time it was a broken display (Mexico, Cozumel). I was most impressed by the service in Mexico as it's pretty far from any major cities and the technician came out after only a day.

If good warranty service is important to you I cannot recommend enough to get a Lenovo (T, P or X series) laptop and shell out for the extra warranty.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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post #70

I absolutely love my Framework laptop for dev. I feel the software support is also quite good, at least for Fedora which is explicitly supported. I got the DIY edition and put everything together, including installing Fedora, in under 1 hour. And I'm a really slow guy, haven't build a computer in 10 years - its too easy with framework. This laptop is really build to be repairable and modular and it does not suck at a…

Since you know the product (frame.work) well: how does one get the specifications page?!

Last time I checked, they (notebookcheck.net) said it used a glossy display instead of matte; I cannot find a specifications table in the frame.work website and the closest thing I got is in the "Marketplace Parts" section, e.g. at https://frame.work/products/display-kit - where the non-trivial, simply critical detail of glossy vs matte is not specified.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

#95
The current (2022) LG Gram come with Intel Alder Lake and dual USB4/TB4, they basically seem to be the only interesting competitors to the lightweight Apple laptops. The 14" model is 1.0 kg compared to the M1 Macbook Air at 1.3 kg.

Linux compatibility is very good with current kernels (I had a few DRM/GuC restarts with 5.18, those seem to be fixed in 5.19), all hardware works out of the box. ADL-P power management is still being worked on afaik, so for the time being it seems like the power profile you set does have a larger than usual impact - powersave results in 20-30h runtime, balanced more like 10. The base models have a 1240P, which is an "4C8T + 8C8T" CPU (for a total of sixteen threads).

The CNVi Intel wifi in these doesn't seem to have the 5G bug.

Edit: One issue with virtually any better-ish new laptop will be that the display won't be native sRGB. The LG Gram series uses P3 displays, for example (most will be similar), which means that colors will be over-saturated and especially reds will be very intense and orange-y. MacOS has the correct color management to deal with this, Windows and Linux don't really, and Wayland in particular has very poor support for color management. I've manually set a generic P3 profile in Firefox and that pulls most colors back into a more agreeable shape.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

#96
In my workplaces in Germany the service desks were terrified every time there was a need to repair of submit warranty claim for an Apple hardware, in less developed EU countries simply assume the warranty or repair options do not exist. You're throwing a sack of golden coins at an American moloch and counting that the device will not fail.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

#98
I got in 2016 the Xiaomi Mi Notebook Air for about ~750$ and I'm still using it today (Ubuntu 20). The design is the most similar to Mac design, but with more ports (:D). When I bought it, the other option I considered was Dell XPS, and I see it's mentioned many times in the comments.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

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post #49
post #3

Related from 4 months ago "Ask HN: What’s a good laptop for software development at around $2k?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31094361 First comment-thread is about Apple but once collapsed the next 10 are non-Apple recommendations.

TIL one can collapse HN threads. With all the clear labels on HN, perhaps a [collapse] link would have been clearer.

>Account created in 2013

Are you joking?

Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?

#100

Are you sure alternative brands offer better service? Also Apple stores will fix your computer outside your country. I remember I got my MacBook’s motherboard replaced in China at no cost.

There are plenty of countries without Apple stores. Denmark, for example.
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