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Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

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Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

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Post by zerostar07 »

lbrandy wrote: post #13

I work on the team that generated the warning that seems to be the crux of this post. I am pretty convinced that it is a bug. His central theme, though, is a bit misguided. I don't understand why 1) using opengraph, or 2) using a like button implies facebook should trust your link and whitelist it. Even pages with those integrations can be malicious. In this actual case though, the notification link (generated from t…

I 've had this domain that was since forever a simple redirect to our facebook game spam-listed. I 've sent countless appeals for almost a year now and never heard back. Have something to suggest?

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

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Post by cft »

lbrandy wrote: post #38
cft wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's argue Reductio ad absurdum. Why does not Google pop-up similar warnings when you click on its search results? -Because Google is dependent on the richness and abundance of third-party websites, for its search to be meaningful. What is the objective of Facebook? - To suck users into facebook.com, and sandbox them there. Similarly, the smaller objective of Facebook Social plugins is to lift the userbase from thir…

You seem to be under a collection of interesting misapprehensions... 1. Google does warn in various ways when it detects possible badness. As it should. 2. We don't gate ALL links through such warnings. This can be verified by going to your news feed and clicking just about anything. 3. This is about a specific issue with notifications generated from comment widgets (a very common spam vector). 4. Detecting all badne…

>4. Detecting all badness via the domain name at "write-time" is not a sufficient solution to the malicious link problem.

Doesn't Google has this problem too, that detecting badness at the "indexing time" is not a sufficient solution? The content of a site may change between their checks. No pop-ups are shown in between indexing times nevertheless.

With your abuse reporting volume, you should be able to almost instantly detect statistically significant malicious links, and remove them from your news feeds, should the content change to malicious after "write-time".

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

#43

Post by bsimpson »

Good luck with that. Imagine all the YouTube-quality comments that would flood crbug:

    PLZ FIX TEH FACEBOOK LOGIN SCREEN!!
We can have discussions all we like about whether or not Facebook is a net-positive or a net-negative for the Web, but there's no way Google, Microsoft, or Apple is going to blacklist them.

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

#45

Post by saturdayplace »

redthrowaway wrote: post #9
ChuckMcM wrote: post #6

Cache link is essential, of course the term 'gaslighting' [1] may be common in some groups, it was new to me. The general theme is that Facebook is making changes which make the service benefit Facebook more and is less user friendly. I'm not sure it rises to the level of abuse implied by the term but that is clearly subjective. The 'answer' of course is to leave. I know, I know, "But all my friends are there!" or "N…

>(warning Wikipedia link) What's the warning for? If it's warning against being confronted with Jimbo's piercing gaze, that seems a bit snarky.

I took it as a warning that you're about to click a link that has a high potential of sending you down a rat hole that eventually ends up on the Philosophy article.

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

#46

Post by andr3 »

lbrandy wrote: post #13

I work on the team that generated the warning that seems to be the crux of this post. I am pretty convinced that it is a bug. His central theme, though, is a bit misguided. I don't understand why 1) using opengraph, or 2) using a like button implies facebook should trust your link and whitelist it. Even pages with those integrations can be malicious. In this actual case though, the notification link (generated from t…

Having been bit by this warning message, all this sounds a bit too familiar.

At the time it was being caused by McAfee (yes, dust-off the anti-virus conspiracy theories) had flagged our domain as untrusted because our main virtual host (www.) was returning an HTTP 200 on a 404 Not found page. Yes, that's the "security risk" they found. sigh

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

#47

Post by reinhardt »

ck2 wrote: post #26
1010010111 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. It is only when the annoyance levels reach a breaking point that the FB alternatives will be made as user-friendly as FB and brought to the attention of the masses. One will emerge as dominant. And the cycle begins again. Every itch gets properly scratched, eventually.

There's also the "fad" and "uncool" factor. When everyone's mom and dad (and their mom and dad) is also on facebook, it's going to slowly start losing it's edginess. Then the next "cool" site will emerge.

I put more hope to the "uncoolness" factor rather than the privacy and security concerns to drive FB's demise.

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

#48

Post by droithomme »

People who use Facebook are silly people. No this is not a flame, it's AOL all over again. The walled garden, except the garden is a dystopian big brother state.

I don't mind people being in the dystopia of their own choosing at all. I enjoy going for walks outside the cyberdome. It's quiet and peaceful out here and people are not monitoring and trying to manipulate and control me.

Those who enjoy being a cog in a machine I am sure lead happy fulfilling lives inside The Facebook.

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

#49

Post by tomp »

evgen wrote: post #17
ChuckMcM wrote: post #6

Cache link is essential, of course the term 'gaslighting' [1] may be common in some groups, it was new to me. The general theme is that Facebook is making changes which make the service benefit Facebook more and is less user friendly. I'm not sure it rises to the level of abuse implied by the term but that is clearly subjective. The 'answer' of course is to leave. I know, I know, "But all my friends are there!" or "N…

The 'good' Facebook you are looking for has to charge its users for accounts because that is the only way to pay the bills without selling you off to less purient interests. Is that related to how the only 'good' search engine would be one that has to charge you per-search lest it be forced to sell your click info and search terms to less prurient interests?

Personally, I would rather be stalked by a search engine than by a social network that has seen my photos and knows who my friends are.

However, with the arrival of G+, this issue has become far more serious...

Re: Facebook is gaslighting the web. We can fix it.

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Post by hack_edu »

tomp wrote: post #49
evgen wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 'good' Facebook you are looking for has to charge its users for accounts because that is the only way to pay the bills without selling you off to less purient interests. Is that related to how the only 'good' search engine would be one that has to charge you per-search lest it be forced to sell your click info and search terms to less prurient interests?

Personally, I would rather be stalked by a search engine than by a social network that has seen my photos and knows who my friends are. However, with the arrival of G+, this issue has become far more serious...

You can always ignore G+ and browse like you used to.

Hell, create a whole new Google Account completely disconnected from your prior history and G+ connections on your main account. Thats what I did right as it came out.

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