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People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by kelseyfrog »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #107
kelseyfrog wrote: post #84

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I mean we can look at what happened to Chloe Sagal to see what "look (and laugh) but don't touch" does to people.

Wait, you mean the person who got evicted from their house by the roommates (thrown out of the local trans community) and then killed themselves later that day? Also didn't they literally frame it as a protest of the current mental health system? It seems very much like you've been reading fud from opportunistic people.. and from the sound of it some of the same people who threw Chloe under the bus the day it happene…

You must be confusing her with a different Chloe Sagal. I'm referring to the one who was stalked and harassed by Kiwi Farms users and when tried reaching out for help was consistently reported and locked down. The one who was the target of online bullying and the one who was mentioned in this Kiwi Farms quote “I do hope they blame us for literally murdering another t***n. Dibs on credit.”

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #111
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you mean the person who got evicted from their house by the roommates (thrown out of the local trans community) and then killed themselves later that day? Also didn't they literally frame it as a protest of the current mental health system? It seems very much like you've been reading fud from opportunistic people.. and from the sound of it some of the same people who threw Chloe under the bus the day it happene…

You must be confusing her with a different Chloe Sagal. I'm referring to the one who was stalked and harassed by Kiwi Farms users and when tried reaching out for help was consistently reported and locked down. The one who was the target of online bullying and the one who was mentioned in this Kiwi Farms quote “I do hope they blame us for literally murdering another t***n. Dibs on credit.”

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Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by DanBC »

deepdriver wrote: post #70
nathanaldensr wrote: post #69

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> even repeating verbatim lines from The Guardian articles about the scandal at Tavistock is considered transphobic.

The Guardian is so transphobic that their own journalists penned an open letter to complain about it.

Almost anything you hear from the Guardian on trans gender issues is going to be heavily biased against trans people.

It's a certainty that you've not understood the Tavistock stuff.

> In contrast, children in their teens are now undergoing sterilizing surgeries under the label of gender-affirming care.

Not in the UK they're not, and I'd be surprised if it was happening in the US.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by DanBC »

deepdriver wrote: post #68
emptyparadise wrote: post #65

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Hopefully one day the kids will be able to get the care they need without having to bypass the medical system or hide things from their family. Until then, they get to be biopunk.

This "care" is unnecessary and harmful for most children. Puberty is the cure for most children with body dysphoria; up to 90% of kids who identify as transgender desist from this identity post-puberty. However, effects from "gender-affirming care" like a deepened voice, mastectomy, orchiectomy, hysterectomy, and sterilization are irreversible. The long-term effects of puberty blockers especially are unknown, particu…

Bell wasn't a child when she had hormones or surgery. Bell was told by her psychiatrist at Tavi not to go ahead with transition. She ignored that advice and went ahead anyway. You'll notice that she hasn't brought a personal injury case. She'd lose it if she did. She had capacity to make a decision. She made an unwise decision, and now she's living with the consequences of her own poor choices. Is your position seriously that capacitous adults should be banned from making decisions about their healthcare?

> The NHS-commissioned Cass Report details the many risks and gaps of evidence underlying youth transition:

The Cass review has led to the closure of the single clinic providing child trans healthcare in England, but has led to the opening of many more child trans healthcare clinics across England. The Cass review is clear that the problems were mostly lack of access to timely care. I don't understand why you think this is a victory for the anti-trans position, it simply isn't. Many more children are now going to be able to access timely care, and many more children will be able to access puberty blockers.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by DanBC »

computerfriend wrote: post #103
DanBC wrote: post #43

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Post your full name and address.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. But it doesn't seem to be in good faith, whatever it is.

It's easy to call for freedom of speech for harassers and abusers when you're posting from an anonymous account. You think it's okay for this site to exist when a key feature is doxxing people's information. But you're too much of a coward to post your name and address to HN? Privacy for you, but not for the KF victims? This is hypocrisy.

Put your money where your mouth is: post your name and address you fucking coward.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by computerfriend »

DanBC wrote: post #115
computerfriend wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. But it doesn't seem to be in good faith, whatever it is.

It's easy to call for freedom of speech for harassers and abusers when you're posting from an anonymous account. You think it's okay for this site to exist when a key feature is doxxing people's information. But you're too much of a coward to post your name and address to HN? Privacy for you, but not for the KF victims? This is hypocrisy. Put your money where your mouth is: post your name and address you fucking cowa…

Posting anonymously is not cowardly.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by cf »

computerfriend wrote: post #116
DanBC wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to call for freedom of speech for harassers and abusers when you're posting from an anonymous account. You think it's okay for this site to exist when a key feature is doxxing people's information. But you're too much of a coward to post your name and address to HN? Privacy for you, but not for the KF victims? This is hypocrisy. Put your money where your mouth is: post your name and address you fucking cowa…

Posting anonymously is not cowardly.

Then I suppose you won't mind me posting it for you right?

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by kelseyfrog »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #112
kelseyfrog wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be confusing her with a different Chloe Sagal. I'm referring to the one who was stalked and harassed by Kiwi Farms users and when tried reaching out for help was consistently reported and locked down. The one who was the target of online bullying and the one who was mentioned in this Kiwi Farms quote “I do hope they blame us for literally murdering another t***n. Dibs on credit.”

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How convenient.

Re: People are demanding that Cloudflare drop Kiwi Farms

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Post by bitwize »

computerfriend wrote: post #12

It is amazing to me that, some 300 years after the enlightenment, a very sizeable number of people still don't value free speech.

There is no government action here, only the principle of: The network interprets hate as noise and filters it out.
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