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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by colordrops »

papito wrote: post #358
colordrops wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The television stations and newspapers back in the day absolutely maintained the Overton window and constructed narratives that supported the the ruling class. To call this "content curation" is ignorant at best.

You mean, like, not completely make up stuff about "stolen elections"?

Why don't you just come out and say that you believe censorship is a good thing because it protects us from bad guys? Just because you believe it's a good thing doesn't mean it's not still censorship.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by colordrops »

papito wrote: post #359
darepublic wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then when say the government is lying about something and the curators keep curating out the pertinent details, suddenly you need to go to such a tough place to find the truth

I would like to hear one example. One . Which "truth" did you find out on 8chan that the government lied about?

We found out many things from WikiLeaks, such as the government killing journalists to hide atrocities.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by rendall »

pstuart wrote: post #568
rendall wrote: post #347

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It's buried in my own verbiage, but this is the thrust of my reply. If you rely, for your mental picture of what is ... important and what can be dismissed, on the same institutions that suppress true stories and promote false ones, then how even are you making these choices? At the risk of distracting you from answering that question, I'll answer yours: partisan feuding is destroying the US, so I absolutely put coun…

Ok, so corruption matters to you? From my observations Trump (and his admin) were corrupt as can be. Small case in point: Jared Kushner's business dealings where he's gotten huge amounts of money whilst ostensibly serving as a government employee. I could dig up citations if you demonstrated its veracity if you would take the time to review them. Back to the Biden affair -- I've seen nothing of the corrupt board memb…

Let's grant everything you state here about Trump and Kushner to be true. I'm not arguing against that. Yes, it's all bad. All of it. No citations necessary. I believe you.

I really want to know this: Given that your news sources have demonstrably lied to you, how are you making the determination that some things are not important and other things are important. How are you deciding that?

For instance, that the FBI may have influenced the election is not important information, but that Jared Kushner's business dealings are important.

Just, how do you make that evaluation?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by [deleted] »

Kbelicius wrote: post #237
hackinthebochs wrote: post #169

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There is a difference between prevention and not amplifying. Facebook did the latter.

There is also a difference between suppression and prevention and nowhere in the definition given is word prevention used. Facebook suppressed dissemination of this story thus, by the definition given, it engaged in censorship. If you want to argue that the definition is wrong, fine. But that is not what you are arguing.

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by unloco »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #272
rufus_foreman wrote: post #146

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>> I am honestly a lot less worried about the content and a lot more about the fact that it is a non trivial question whether or not the son of the leader of the free world is a crack user. Joe Biden is not the leader of the free world. And it is not an open question whether Joe Biden's son is a crack user.

USA is the leading country of the free world (by having the heaviest cultural, economic and technological impact), so by transitive property Joe Biden, being the leader of that country, is also the leader of the free world.

I think he is saying he believes Trump is still president.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by hackinthebochs »

Kbelicius wrote: post #237
hackinthebochs wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a difference between prevention and not amplifying. Facebook did the latter.

There is also a difference between suppression and prevention and nowhere in the definition given is word prevention used. Facebook suppressed dissemination of this story thus, by the definition given, it engaged in censorship. If you want to argue that the definition is wrong, fine. But that is not what you are arguing.

>nowhere in the definition given is word prevention used

There is no official or single exhaustive definition to compare text strings with and glean meaningful information. The issue is what is meant when people use the word in typical contexts. Attempted or actual prevention of certain kinds of speech is the operative meaning in the context of censorship.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by meroes »

mypastself wrote: post #377
meroes wrote: post #94

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A regime change that operates by simply telling FB there's increased Russian propaganda? A boogyman that powerful I'm sure he's responsible for everything!

When the FBI gives you specific guidelines on what to be vary of, shortly before a news story that fits all their criteria drops, you listen. I doubt it was a taken as a friendly heads-up by Facebook, given the numerous accusations, threats of additional regulations, and congressional grillings in the years prior. When the then-head of the FBI released a particular public statement in 2016, many believed it swayed th…

If that’s all it takes to effect a coup, it’s not a coup. That’s all they are doing is telling. A completely normal and legal part of their whole existence. Not my fault you’ve misunderstood how entities in society function and FB wants to continue to suck.

It would be a societal issue, not rogue actors. What you’ve described is completely unalarming to me (even in its exaggerated form). In fact I have no idea how if this is so alarming to you, you aren’t nonstop writing books about everything as bad and worse the justice department does.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by colordrops »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #571
kurupt213 wrote: post #533

I don’t understand why Facebook is getting the negative attention instead of the FBI. This is a classic example of an entity in a position of power abusing said power. How is this different from sexual extortion for a promotion. I don’t care how rich your company is, the FBI comes knocking, the obvious response is to acquiesce to avoid issues with the federal government

Did you read the article? All the FBI did was notify FB that there was likely to be Russian propaganda incoming. Facebook made the determination about the Hunter Biden story independently. I’ll turn the question around on you: how is this similar to sexual extortion for a promotion? I don’t see the connection.

Its not clear if that's really what happened behind the scenes. It seems that there was a coordinated effort specifically around the Hunter story. Most media outlets blacklisted it around the same time. Even the news organization that Glenn Greenwald founded (the intercept) censored it, causing an internal battle resulting in Greenwald leaving the organization. There was clearly widespread pressure to subdue this story.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by rendall »

pstuart wrote: post #556
rendall wrote: post #354

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My answer is a few rules of thumb: - political stance is not my identity - actively seek to falsify that which I know to be true - be skeptical about any statement that fits neatly into my preconceptions - apply the principle of charity, to reply to the strongest, most charitable interpretation of a statement, even of those with whom I disagree - not to rely on any source once it has demonstrated a capacity to lie -…

That sounds lovely but theory and practice vary in their overlap. One point I'll counter you on is that a significant portion of the population is literally below average intelligence and that hate and spite are strong motivators for many. I've yet to see any capitulations by the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop but I'm willing to try to zero in on that with you to see if your words match your actions.

> One point I'll counter you on is that a significant portion of the population is literally below average intelligence

Yes, half, but IQ is only one measure of a person. Compassion, wisdom, grit are others. Someone can be low IQ and yet wise, compassionate, etc.

> and that hate and spite are strong motivators for many.

Not sure what you mean by that. How many? How do you know?

> I've yet to see any capitulations by the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop

What would capitulation look like to you? Do you see me as one of "the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop"?

> but I'm willing to try to zero in on that with you to see if your words match your actions.

Not really sure what actions are possible given the format. But sure, walk me through.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by jshen »

nradov wrote: post #189
jshen wrote: post #138

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You don’t need a social network for that, just a messaging app. The idea that families would not be able to keep in touch without social media is absurd and obviously wrong.

Families mostly like to share photos. Facebook works far better than any messaging app for that use case.

Does it? I just opened Facebook, scrolled for a while, and didn’t see any family photos. I saw a bunch of lizard brain short videos of people fighting in road rage incidents, attractive women dancing and such, airsoft gun games (no idea why Facebook thinks I’d like this), and other similar types of things not related to my family. I actually liked Facebook when it mostly showed me photos of friends and family, but I’m guessing that isn’t profitable enough.
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