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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I would not have voted in the election if I knew about the laptop. True story about something that is true.

That was the only point about the laptop -- to smear Biden.

The only point of the Steele dossier paid for by Hillary was to smear Trump. Should that story also have been censored? It was provably full of fake information.

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> Soviet Union, who provided guaranteed jobs, guaranteed housing, guaranteed education, guaranteed higher education, guaranteed healthcare, paid vacations, paid maternity leave, reasonable work hours, reasonable retirement age, free hobby and social clubs, is 'monstrous'.

I actually met a few Lithuanian tourists this summer (I live in Lyon, France). They were quite young (20-ish), but their parents still remember the Soviet Union, and were literally traumatized by it. Stories of Siberian gulags with corpses hanging from trees, people disappearing from one day to the next...

From what I can tell, the Soviet Union was a much worse place to be than the US.

> And lo and behold - the ONLY country on the planet that kills its citizens when they cant pay for healthcare is the US,

what are you talking about? I've never heard of the US government killing people who can't pay for healthcare. Did you mean people dying because they can't afford healthcare? Because that's pretty much par for the course everywhere except post WW2 welfare states, AFAIK.

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> I picked a random video with Chomsky [1] about the topic and he calls the invasion a criminal act against international law in his first sentence. Noam Chomsky described Russia's invasion of Ukraine as "criminal", by after the face-saving copout there's always a "but". In some interviews, Chomsky states in no uncertain terms that he believes that everyone should just hand over Russia what the regime wants as a form…

Ethnic cleansing? Never mind that Russians and Ukrainians have the same ethnicity, what is this supposed to mean?

> Ethnic cleansing? Never mind that Russians and Ukrainians have the same ethnicity, what is this supposed to mean?

They really don't. Even ignoring the fact that it's idiotic to talk about a single Russian ethnicity given the Russian Federation is comprised of multiple distinct ethnic and cultural heritages, Ukraine has a distinct and independent ethnicity.

https://www.eurac.edu/en/blogs/mobile-people-and-diverse-soc...

Just because they look alike to you and you can't tell apart which language is which, that does not mean they are not separate and distinct ethnicities. Hell, don't take my word for it. Just listen to what Russia's regime has to say about Ukraine and what they perceive their untermensch role towards Russia should be to understand how silly it is to not talk about ethnic cleansing.

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None of your points expresses support. It is one option, if you are attacked, you just surrender and probably save a lot of lives. At least immediately, there can of course be other bad things happening down the road. I do not think that I would consider this the best option most of the time, but it is a valid option and maybe even a good one if you value lives over everything else or if the situation is extremely in…

> It is one option, if you are attacked, you just surrender and probably save a lot of lives. This take is profoundly disingenuous. Russia is targeting civilians and razing Ukrainian cities and settlements, conducting forced deportations, burying civilians in mass graves, all while Russia's talking heads repeatedly claim Ukraine does not have the right to exist. And here you are, claiming that not offering ay resista…

I obviously do not know, but do you know that Russia would have done those things if Ukraine had just handed the country over on day one? And just to be clear, I am not suggesting that is what they should have done, I am just suggesting that the death toll and destruction could be lower than what we have now. And again, it could, I am not even saying it would, maybe there would have been an uprising of the population or whatever and the situation would have turned out even worse.

My point is purely that surrendering is a possible course of action which might provide some benefits over other options and that making such a suggestion does not imply that you are supporting the aggressor even if this would give the aggressor what they wanted.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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To me, the interesting aspect of this interview was how Zuckerberg kept referring to his 'independent council of governance' as the solution to the responsibility problem, absolving the dictator-in-charge of whatever decisions those members made. But it was not asked - and its disappointing Rogan didn't go there - to whom do these members of a presumably anonymous governance board, answer? Without being able to obser…

> Without being able to observe the governance boards activities, the general public cannot exercise agency over their own rights

i'm not sure that really applies?

facebook is private property of its owners, users don't have control over it unless they can also collectively claim ownership...

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Literally no one in this thread is acting with hyperbole like that but you.

Literally this entire thread is full of people bloviating about the destruction of freedom of speech (without understanding that freedom of speech is precisely what protects a private organizations right to not be compelled into speech) and accusing faecbook of mind control. All of the top posts are precisely as I have described them.

You obviously know I'm being hyperbolic (you said it), and so your unwillingness to realize I am mocking the very real attitudes here is tiresome.

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2 billions to Jared Kushner evidence /sarcasm. Btw, I don't recall any other US president having classified and top secrets docs at home after leaving WH. It's now a NATO security issue, allies should be informed.

Every US president has done this. It's called "presidential archives" for the purpose of writing memoires.

Also non-presidents: Hillary having an entire email server with classified information on it.

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Sure prosecute her too. She can sit next to Trump in a jail cell. But the more likely answer is that after relentless grilling at the behest of Republican lawmakers under Trump and actual testimony there probably wasn’t anything there worth pursuing from a legal perspective so no charges were filed.

There's no reason to prosecute her, though. She complied with all relevant requests and was following the steps of Colin Powell, her predecessor, with respect to how she set her email server up. The main difference between her and Powell is she attempted to preserve relevant emails for the government, while Powell recommended deleting them all. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/colin-powell...

Hillary's primary crime was destroying evidence weeks after it had been subpoenaed.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/oct/09/donald-tru...

>Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The Politifact article then goes on to say the FBI didn't believe they were deleted for the purposes of avoiding the subpoena, which may be true, but that doesn't make it less of a crime.

I'm going to give my personal opinion now. The crime Clinton committed is a paperwork technicality crime and I don't think it would have been a good idea for the country to charge her.

With the information we know so far about Trump keeping some docs that might have been government property, that also seems to be a paperwork technicality crime and if we don't find out something really insidious about it, I don't think it would be a good idea for the country to charge him.

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> The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home No, he did not "hide" the documents. As a letter quoted in a recent article in Politico [1] shows, the documents were removed from the White House when the administrations changed on Jan. 20, 2021. Which means whoever was responsible for checking documents that were removed from the White House by the outgoing Presi…

Nice way of deflecting blame there. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and he did it. He now got caught. It’s not like “hey nobody told me I couldn’t do this”, it’s why tf are you taking these documents sir. There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight.

> Trump knew exactly what he was doing

> There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight.

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