Not all artists are extroverts in the sense that they want to communicate some feeling or some emotions. Some artists are introverts who create art for themselves, who are more interested in the visual effects of colours, lines and shapes, than what it does to others. Take for example the Dutch artist Peter Struycken, who started as a classical scholed artist, but who in the late sixties used a computer program devel…
Art is Fundamentally Social (2021)
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#12Not all artists are extroverts in the sense that they want to communicate some feeling or some emotions. Some artists are introverts who create art for themselves, who are more interested in the visual effects of colours, lines and shapes, than what it does to others. Take for example the Dutch artist Peter Struycken, who started as a classical scholed artist, but who in the late sixties used a computer program devel…
Which can be interesting and fun to share (more so when it results in collaboration or derivatives), but can also exist fine without.
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#13The second half of the article, on how computer-generated art fits into the art-is-fundamentally-social equation ... I currently have no definitive opinion on that question. My thoughts on the issue vary on a day-to-day basis between "art without a human creator is irrelevant" and "art happens in the mind of the person who sees/hears/feels it, not in the medium used to present and preserve it". My guts favour the latter opinion, but it would be nice if I could work out a decent argument to support the assertion.
[1] - the link in the article to the book is broken. The book is available from Amazon here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Instinct-Beauty-Pleasure-Evolut...
[2] - The Monkeys Who Learned To Sing - https://rikverse2020.rikweb.org.uk/blog/monkeys-learn-to-sin...
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#15I am personally not a big believer in the idea that art is just a means to an end (even if that end is something we consider very valuable). This article uses the words "purpose" and "goal" a lot, and it is that aspect that I disagree with, although I would agree that art is phenomenon that can only be considered properly inside of its social context. That is, saying that a painting is just a tool for the painter to…
While artists may hope their art will also fulfill other goals, I wouldn't want to live in a world without art, where those goals are instead fulfilled by expending equivalent effort to turn the crank of some machine. I suspect neither would the author of this article.
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#16lets not forget not too long ago art was a available only to the rich. the social elements were confined to the whim and contingency of the lords, aristocratics and nobles who deemed art to be so. as we may glean from walter benjamin, the reproducibility of art in a capitalist industry brought art to the 'people'. we now live in an age where 'art' and 'artists' are ubiquitous and available for 'everyone'. these socia…
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#17lets not forget not too long ago art was a available only to the rich. the social elements were confined to the whim and contingency of the lords, aristocratics and nobles who deemed art to be so. as we may glean from walter benjamin, the reproducibility of art in a capitalist industry brought art to the 'people'. we now live in an age where 'art' and 'artists' are ubiquitous and available for 'everyone'. these socia…
> the reproducibility of art in a capitalist industry brought art to the 'people'.
The Japanese were woodblock printing art for the masses since the 17th century. Woodblock printing itself is much older.
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#18I am personally not a big believer in the idea that art is just a means to an end (even if that end is something we consider very valuable). This article uses the words "purpose" and "goal" a lot, and it is that aspect that I disagree with, although I would agree that art is phenomenon that can only be considered properly inside of its social context. That is, saying that a painting is just a tool for the painter to…
I think of it as art itself being the goal. While artists may hope their art will also fulfill other goals, I wouldn't want to live in a world without art, where those goals are instead fulfilled by expending equivalent effort to turn the crank of some machine. I suspect neither would the author of this article.
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#19Most artists I know would be happy doing their thing on their own. It only becomes social because there's a need to market and sell it.
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#20I fundamentally disagree with the premise that all art is social Kurt Vonnegut expressed this better than I ever could in a letter to schoolkids, in it he persuaded them to write a poem then tear it into pieces without showing anyone.. "you'll find that you've already been gloriously rewarded for your poem. You have experienced becoming" Full letter here: https://highexistence.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1053653..…
So even the most reclusive artist is in a dialogue: with all the artists of the past several millenia ;)