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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by cubancigar11 »

im3w1l wrote: post #266
mgraczyk wrote: post #263

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What is the difference between this and a moderator on Reddit manually deleting a post?

If a moderator deletes a post someone else can post it again. If you create an automatic rule to prevent that then it's algorithmic.

And the you will get banned. The only difference is that facebook has real people as requirement while reddit allows sock puppetry.

All this talk is very funny to me because it shows that most people here are too young. The algorithm exists because the establishment demanded it. I say establishment because I remember what the old geek culture was and the demand didn't come from it. It came from outside of technical libertarian circle. Once social media companies said it is possible the demand became even more shrill and it culminated in 2016 when Trump won. The algorithm was created specifically to do what Zuckerberg made it do in 2020.

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Post by eyeball »

unity1001 wrote: post #296
glogla wrote: post #231

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holodomor was an intentionally manufactured to try to genocide political opponents. Something the “commies” are fond of more than most but they get a pass from enthusiasts like you. Gross.

https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM

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Post by arinlen »

parkingrift wrote: post #314

So let me get this straight. Facebook has absolute control to limit the spread of a story or news on their platform. Facebook has absolute control to outright block specific content based on an algorithm they control. Facebook can and will editorialize content posted on their platform. Facebook has absolute control over the content that users see. Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Facebook is not a publis…

> Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Facebook is not a publisher?

Facebook either disseminates posts from their users and/or links to sites operated by third-parties.

Claiming that Facebook is a publisher makes as much sense as claiming hackernews is a publisher.

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Post by mercy_dude »

Again it goes to show how the nation state apparatus controls the narrative. If FBI can control FB then what is to them NYT and WP which they served all along in the previous administration as a source of leak. Oh wait we are still under the impression FBI has accountability?

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Post by someguydave »

growse wrote: post #364
selfmodruntime wrote: post #349

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section 230 is a wildly misunderstood law with many misconceptions. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn‘t make a clear distinction between platform and publisher.

Indeed. The word 'platform' doesn't appear in the entire section. The only time the word 'publisher' appears is: (1) Treatment of publisher or speaker No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

Yes but that appearance of “publisher” is critical - normal publishers can be sued for content under US law under certain circumstances.

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Post by arinlen »

unity1001 wrote: post #296
glogla wrote: post #231

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> Why the US, who lied about nonexistent WMDs to murder 1 million Iraqis for profit is not 'monstrous' and Soviet Union, who (...)

You need to be extremely disingenuous to choose to describe the Soviet Union as a job provider with a social security program.

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Post by dan-robertson »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #278
woojoo666 wrote: post #221

I found interesting how during the podcast, Zuckerberg compared the suppression of the story to due process in the justice system. A snippet from the podcast (with minor edits, starting from 7:25 of this video clip [1]): > Joe Rogan: is there regret for not having it evenly distributed and for throttling the distribution of that story? > [...] > Zuckerberg: yeah yeah I mean it sucks because I mean it turned out after…

> Zuckerberg compared the suppression of the story to due process in the justice system. In the justice system, you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Here, uncorroborated claims were enough. Not even a probable cause was required.

If you’re being tried for a crime, you can still be kept in jail, or otherwise restricted by bail conditions. And even if parts of the state may consider you innocent until proven guilty, having been indicted can be terrible for your employment either in the present (if being trialled means you can’t show up for work) or in the future (if, after background checks, employers wouldn’t like to risk touching you).

So while it id true that there is an ‘innocent until proven guilty’ rule, the actual consequences of being indicted are not the consequences one would expect for someone who is actually assumed to be innocent.

I think your comment is not a helpful way to discuss a nuanced topic.

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Post by oldgradstudent »

andy_ppp wrote: post #297
oldgradstudent wrote: post #278

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> Zuckerberg compared the suppression of the story to due process in the justice system. In the justice system, you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Here, uncorroborated claims were enough. Not even a probable cause was required.

Not really, in the justice system you are put on trial on social media first and everyone believes what they want to believe rather than the decision of a court. You’re stating that fact validation should have the same level of scrutiny as a criminal trial except instantly? How do you stop false claims from being amplified without being cautious immediately? Facts can’t be put on “criminal trial” or got to jail - the…

> Not really, in the justice system you are put on trial on social media first and everyone believes what they want to believe rather than the decision of a court.

That's far better than the media censoring stories upon the suggestion of the secret police.

> You're stating that fact validation should have the same level of scrutiny as a criminal trial except instantly?

Not really, I'm pointing out that Zuckerberg's comparison to a trial was disingenuous.

> How do you stop false claims from being amplified without being cautious immediately?

What about the claim that this story was Russian disinformation? Did Facebook or Twitter make any attempt to stop amplifying it?

Did Facebook and Twitter censor stories about Trump's pee tape? There were plenty of obviously false stories about Trump.

Nobody cares about "amplifying false claims". It's a political weapon. The involvement of the FBI makes it even worse.

Regardless of your politics, this is a terrible precedent.

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Post by someguydave »

roenxi wrote: post #287
spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

It looks a lot like what newspapers have been doing forever. And other forms of media. The most novel part of this story is the existence of the Joe Rogan Experience which is broadcasting unvarnished opinions of the relevant CEO to explain what is happening (big improvement!). The 2nd most novel part is that this form of massaging the news happens by choosing what personal communication can pass unmolested through a…

Yes newspapers suppress true stories that they don’t like. The difference is that small time media guys were trying to publish a true story that the government did not like and were suppressed at the Facebook layer.

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Post by [deleted] »

parkingrift wrote: post #314

So let me get this straight. Facebook has absolute control to limit the spread of a story or news on their platform. Facebook has absolute control to outright block specific content based on an algorithm they control. Facebook can and will editorialize content posted on their platform. Facebook has absolute control over the content that users see. Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Facebook is not a publis…

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