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SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by Melatonic »

cheschire wrote: post #372
mr_toad wrote: post #340

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> Of course, Apple’s solution will likely only work with iMessage. If I’m in the middle of nowhere and need to send an urgent message I wouldn’t want to be worrying about whether the recipient had an Android phone.

This conversation is a frequent annoyance for me. I’m tired of asking folks if they have Apple or Signal available just to send a photo. MMS is unreliable and opaque to most folks it seems since pictures never seem to get through if they’re on android.

Same is true for android to android - it does a much higher quality non MMS. Unfortunately neither Google nor Apple will open up their damn protocol to the other.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by Sporktacular »

lrvick wrote: post #449
v0idzer0 wrote: post #445

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Whose goal is to solve this? Not T-Mobile or SpaceX

When you are the only source of a critical service in an area, you become a utility and should shoulder the responsibilities that come with that.

They don't have a responsibility to help you stay anonymous if they don't promise it. Follow your logic and we wouldn't have remote schooling or medical services over HF radio either. It extends the capabilities of normal phones to provide a feature we didn't have before, so you can't expect the capabilities of full fat, dedicated hardware. It's better than nothing, so why complain? You want net neutrality for a non-Internet service?

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by carlivar »

bottlepalm wrote: post #421
itsoktocry wrote: post #389

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> I've driven thousands of miles and 95% of the time no issues. The other 5% I almost always know where it will have issues and manually take over before it even gets into a bad situation. This is not Full Self Driving, or remotely close to it. Having to take over for any tricky situation is antithetical to FSD's purpose. Besides the fact that "thousands of miles" is a microscopic scale of driving. That's a vacation…

Really? I'd say it's 95% there if the car is fully self driving 95% of the time. Taking over for tricky situations alerts Tesla to those situations and allows them to rank and fix the issue. 1,000's of miles might be nothing, but then multiply it by the tens of thousands of drivers using it everyday and yes Tesla basically is aware of all the tricky situations and is working to resolve them. I really don't understand…

Are you a developer? Everyone knows the last 10% takes 90% of the time.

Though in this case I would say the remaining problems in FSD become exponentially more difficult the closer to 100%.

Why am I critical? Because Elon Musk reminds me of bad bosses and product managers in my career. They act like PT Barnum to the public and throw tantrums internally.

I also strongly dislike Musk's rejection of Kanban and Toyota Production System principles.

After all, Musk was fired as CEO by the PayPal board after Engineering mutinied against his ill-advised plan to migrate to .net and Windows.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by heavyset_go »

fivestarman wrote: post #446
bottlepalm wrote: post #437

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Elon has a degree in physics. You think you can only work as an engineer if the word 'engineer' is the degree you have? Many engineers have degrees in physics among other foundational sciences - math, chemistry, etc... They make for especially good engineers.

He has a bachelor of arts in physics. He isn't an engineer. There are actual qualifications to being an engineer and he doesn't have those. He came up from his dad's unethical mining company. His code has never been used because it "was garbage". If elon musk is an engineer, what has he engineered that has his name on it? Please point me in the direction that shows that elon has the certifications and education to ca…

I've had people tell me that a kid building things with LEGO bricks is an engineer, so that means Musk is an engineer, too. Apologists will stretch the definition of an engineer in order to claim that Musk is an engineer, as well. It's often stretched so thin that pretty much anyone who built anything would be qualified as an engineer using the definition that also qualifies Musk as one, too.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by Axien »

ericabiz wrote: post #153

I believe this is SpaceX trying to stay one step ahead of Apple. Anyone else remember this strange rumor about iPhones including satellite capability a year ago? https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/29/iphone-13-to-feature-le... Now you have Apple’s event in a couple weeks themed “Far Out” with space pictures. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Apple announced something similar, possibly with Globalstar instead. Of cours…

Apple, as far as I know, does not own spectrum. Therefore I doubt it is an Apple thing. More likely an AT&T or Verizon thing. And the service works on the iPhone.

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Post by bottlepalm »

heavyset_go wrote: post #454
fivestarman wrote: post #446

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He has a bachelor of arts in physics. He isn't an engineer. There are actual qualifications to being an engineer and he doesn't have those. He came up from his dad's unethical mining company. His code has never been used because it "was garbage". If elon musk is an engineer, what has he engineered that has his name on it? Please point me in the direction that shows that elon has the certifications and education to ca…

I've had people tell me that a kid building things with LEGO bricks is an engineer, so that means Musk is an engineer, too. Apologists will stretch the definition of an engineer in order to claim that Musk is an engineer, as well. It's often stretched so thin that pretty much anyone who built anything would be qualified as an engineer using the definition that also qualifies Musk as one, too.

Many engineers have degrees in physics. It's a perfectly legitimate degree to have for an engineering position. There is no stretch of the definition whatsoever.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by Corrado »

There's some evidence[0] that Tesla will enable messaging in their cars using Starlink. This would be a bonus for me simply because I often times lose signal in my car near my house, and I'm near my house quite a bit.

[0] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-premium-connectivity-starlin...

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by heavyset_go »

bottlepalm wrote: post #456
heavyset_go wrote: post #454

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I've had people tell me that a kid building things with LEGO bricks is an engineer, so that means Musk is an engineer, too. Apologists will stretch the definition of an engineer in order to claim that Musk is an engineer, as well. It's often stretched so thin that pretty much anyone who built anything would be qualified as an engineer using the definition that also qualifies Musk as one, too.

Many engineers have degrees in physics. It's a perfectly legitimate degree to have for an engineering position. There is no stretch of the definition whatsoever.

> Many engineers have degrees in physics.

I never claimed otherwise. Having a degree in physics does not make an engineer, though.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by Stevvo »

Melatonic wrote: post #451
cheschire wrote: post #372

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This conversation is a frequent annoyance for me. I’m tired of asking folks if they have Apple or Signal available just to send a photo. MMS is unreliable and opaque to most folks it seems since pictures never seem to get through if they’re on android.

Same is true for android to android - it does a much higher quality non MMS. Unfortunately neither Google nor Apple will open up their damn protocol to the other.

https://www.android.com/get-the-message/

This page, from Google, makes it quite clear their protocol is an open standard, and Apple are the only closed one.

Re: SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by bottlepalm »

heavyset_go wrote: post #458
bottlepalm wrote: post #456

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Many engineers have degrees in physics. It's a perfectly legitimate degree to have for an engineering position. There is no stretch of the definition whatsoever.

> Many engineers have degrees in physics. I never claimed otherwise. Having a degree in physics does not make an engineer, though.

A person whose title is 'RF Communication Systems Engineer' and has a physics degree is an engineer.

A person whose title is 'Chief Engineer' and has a physics degree is also an engineer aka Elon therefore he is an engineer.

This is ridiculous debate given Elon leads thousands of engineers daily and given his success there's no doubt that he is making good engineering decisions daily because he is a good engineer.

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