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Post by psyc »

AlexandrB wrote: post #188
psyc wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize most have already made up their minds that VR will still be a gimmick with no market in the year 7000 AD, but I just can’t shake this crazy feeling that we’re going to sort it between now and then. My answer is VR. At least a hedge in case Zuckerberg turns out not to be a clown. If only he had a track record to weigh.

I think that's a bit of a straw man. The technology is just not quite there yet. At least it's a lot better than the last go round with Virtual Boy. The killer app that would make VR desirable doesn't exist yet either. Maybe that will be the Metaverse? But I kind of doubt it. We'll see.

Is that what y'all call hyperbole 'round hyea.

How could I have know in advance that it would have been a strawman of your opinion? I didn't know you existed until a second ago.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

padobson wrote: post #217
spywaregorilla wrote: post #214

EA managing to shift its annual sports titles to a single game with updates on a subscription model would at least be more honest than asking people to buy a whole new game each year at least.

John Carmack disagrees with your rationale: "As long as people are buying it, it means they’re enjoying it" [0] [0] https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/07/id-softwares-john-car...

That's nice for John Carmack

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Post by InsomniacL »

roflyear wrote: post #113
InsomniacL wrote: post #47

1, Amazon runs the platform that sells the games - Amazon 2, Amazon runs the platform that people use while playing the games - Twitch 3, Amazon runs the platform that hosts the servers to play the games - AWS 4, Amazon runs the platform that you play the game on - Luna 5, Amazon runs the platform that creates the games - EA how is this not anti-competition for anyone running a company that competes in only one of th…

Can you explain how vertical integration is anti competitive?

If you run a business selling hosting services for game publishers to run their games, is it not anti-competitive for a competitor of yours to buy your customers and force them to use their services instead of yours?

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Post by 411111111111111 »

maximilianburke wrote: post #219
411111111111111 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were notorious for having extremely bad working conditions. While they've supposedly made an effort to improve them, their notoriety won't go away quiet as fast

Uh, yeah, 20 years ago.

That's not factual. I remember several reports from 2010-2014, so 10 yrs at the very most.

It's a gigantic corporation however, so i don't doubt that some of their teams had good working conditions even in 2002 as you said.

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Post by InsomniacL »

nojito wrote: post #104
InsomniacL wrote: post #47

1, Amazon runs the platform that sells the games - Amazon 2, Amazon runs the platform that people use while playing the games - Twitch 3, Amazon runs the platform that hosts the servers to play the games - AWS 4, Amazon runs the platform that you play the game on - Luna 5, Amazon runs the platform that creates the games - EA how is this not anti-competition for anyone running a company that competes in only one of th…

Because they don't have a monopoly in any of those things. Vertical integration should be pursued by any and every company.

Anti-competitive practices are business practices that prevent or reduce competition in a market.

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Post by nojito »

InsomniacL wrote: post #225
nojito wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they don't have a monopoly in any of those things. Vertical integration should be pursued by any and every company.

Anti-competitive practices are business practices that prevent or reduce competition in a market.

Only if you undertake them to protect a monopoly.

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Post by InsomniacL »

dktp wrote: post #126
InsomniacL wrote: post #47

1, Amazon runs the platform that sells the games - Amazon 2, Amazon runs the platform that people use while playing the games - Twitch 3, Amazon runs the platform that hosts the servers to play the games - AWS 4, Amazon runs the platform that you play the game on - Luna 5, Amazon runs the platform that creates the games - EA how is this not anti-competition for anyone running a company that competes in only one of th…

None of these are monopolies. Twitch and AWS are biggest players in their fields, but both have healthy competition I think it would be way easier to make a case that Microsoft shouldn't be able to buy Activision. It seems like major gaming studios are slowly getting acquired by either Tencent or Microsoft

I'm not saying they are a Monopoly.

Anti-competitive practices are business or government practices that prevent or reduce competition in a market.

Amazon purchasing a company and forcing them to use their services means their services no longer have to compete against their 'competitors'...

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Post by KoftaBob »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #178
KoftaBob wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Standard Oil dominated the oil products market initially through horizontal integration in the refining sector, then, in later years vertical integration"

Company towns were vertically integrated. I wouldn't call them a bastion of free markets

They were technically horizontally integrated too, since the entire reason they were able to exist is situations where jobs like mining were created in isolated areas with no other places to live.

Workers had no other options but to live in that company town and spend their money in company town stores.

All vertical integration means is that a company has direct control over most/all of the supply chain they need to get their product made and sold. They don't need 3rd parties to supply them with any of the steps in the process.

That obviously gives them a competitive advantage, but it doesn't involve directly removing other competitors the way horizontal integration does.

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Post by alpaca128 »

padobson wrote: post #217
spywaregorilla wrote: post #214

EA managing to shift its annual sports titles to a single game with updates on a subscription model would at least be more honest than asking people to buy a whole new game each year at least.

John Carmack disagrees with your rationale: "As long as people are buying it, it means they’re enjoying it" [0] [0] https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/07/id-softwares-john-car...

John Carmack confused sales numbers with positive experiences. It doesn't take a lot of knowledge about recent game launches to see how that makes no sense. And either way it doesn't justify the business practice itself - you could apply the exact same quote to PS5 scalpers.
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