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Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

What if you move to another place?

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #25

It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

I think I have a good idea of what you mean, but for those who don't, could you elaborate on the benefits?

You can give unique throwaway addresses to people you don't fully trust (e.g. newsletters, recruiters) and apply the rules you want. It would be very naive to think that Big Tech won't abuse their market positions.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I have a good idea of what you mean, but for those who don't, could you elaborate on the benefits?

You can give unique throwaway addresses to people you don't fully trust (e.g. newsletters, recruiters) and apply the rules you want. It would be very naive to think that Big Tech won't abuse their market positions.

I do this, and it's very nice to tell who lost/sold my email.

Also it's funny to see people react to their business name being in my email :P .

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #7

State-funded email with E2EE. Every citizen gets an email address. You don't have to use it (and it will probably suck compared to competitors), but you'll have it as a permanent fallback address. And presumably it will come with some legal protections and due process.

Given that many countries already use national id systems for age verification if you say want to buy booze online i always wanted a vault for every citizen, with healthcare, education, banking services, an email, maybe even a personal domain thrown in. Have one api for it that every company can hook into for verification.

The amount of physical disparate papwerwork you have to still do for these things is incredibly annoying.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #16

And this is why, back in 2007, I registered my own domain, and signed up for then-free Google Apps for Your Domain (then GSuite, Google Workspaces, whatever they're calling it now). Earlier this year I moved my email to Fastmail, and I can move it elsewhere if I want to, with zero disruption or downtime. I really wish email providers would make custom domains either the default, or a very obvious option when signing…

Totally +1 this. Buy a domain (= "rent" it long term) and be free.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #30
post #25

It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

I run my own email server too, many will not because of fear of missconfiguring it- and in some respect they are correct, first thing I have done wrong 11-ish years ago was to make my server an open relay which was cought in 5 minutes from setting up and luckily I figured it out 5 minutes later. No big deal, I love postfix and dovecot :)

This is my fear. It's not really the running or configuring that scares me, it's the unceremonious bouncing/filtering at the other end.

I have run some mailers (postfix) for some clients who didn't want to spring for a MAAS provider, I would to my knowledge, set up everything correctly with SPF, DMARC, DKIM, stuff would still land in the spam folder half the time.

Maybe still my mistake, maybe over eager receivers, maybe my hosts were just in a bad net block.

And this was just for low volume transactional stuff, they would add manual "not spam" rules which is OK for them receiving sub-LOB notices but really put me off trying to run my life out of a self hosted machine.

I saw someone post the Helm the other day, which is an interesting idea of having on-prem storage with an off-site dns/sig layer. Still kind of beholden to another service though - and I personally don't want to host my mail in my house but on a VPS. Did make me wonder about how viable a low cost "we just provide the DNS stuff" mailer service would be or if that exists.

https://thehelm.com/products/helm-personal-server-v2

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #7

State-funded email with E2EE. Every citizen gets an email address. You don't have to use it (and it will probably suck compared to competitors), but you'll have it as a permanent fallback address. And presumably it will come with some legal protections and due process.

We somewhat do this in Denmark with NemID/MitID and e-boks.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #30
post #25

It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

I run my own email server too, many will not because of fear of missconfiguring it- and in some respect they are correct, first thing I have done wrong 11-ish years ago was to make my server an open relay which was cought in 5 minutes from setting up and luckily I figured it out 5 minutes later. No big deal, I love postfix and dovecot :)

Heck yeah. I have run postfix and dovecot for over a decade now with basically no problems.

Well except for Gmail refusing to not put me in the spam box despite a 10/10 mail-testing score. Screw you Gmail.

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