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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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I guess everyone should just check the penalties for committing crimes before assuming that crime is real...

That works so well with DMCA, no one ever abused it and it hasn't negatively impacted the lively hood of anyone.

And in particular, Google totally doesn't have a special business relationship with RT to allow RT to ignore the DMCA on their disinfo.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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This person was questioning its efffectiveness simply because more people in hospital were vaccinated than weren't. Without considering the base rate. A sufficiently high base rate would lead to this situation even if the vaccine was 99.9% effective. To address your other point, I believe studies have shown a significant reduction in hospitalisation for young adults who take the vaccine, e.g. https://www.thelancet.co…

> A sufficiently high base rate would lead to this situation even if the vaccine was 99.9% effective. In principle for these factors alone statistically yes, in reality we know this isn't the case. Calling it a vaccine is calling it broken. Calling it a preventative treatment to improve your outcome is more accurate. The studies showing reduced admissions are either grasping at statistical straws or a reglorofied sta…

I had a go at digging up some research on the interplay between vaccination and vitamin D levels in protection against hospitalisation. So far I've found one study that touches on this: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.15.22277678v... .

> Conclusions Among adults with sub-optimal baseline vitamin D status, vitamin D replacement at a dose of 800 or 3200 IU/day did not influence protective efficacy or immunogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination.

This suggests that having the vaccine is still worth it even if you have normal vit D levels.

So far I have yet to find any studies which show the opposite, but I'd be keen to read anything you can link.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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> I trust them to investigate fairly and proportionately. Should we trust authorities with unlimited power because... you said so? (no snark intended) The last 2000 years of history show it's not a good idea. Prove me wrong.

It's not unlimited power, this is a specific power for a specific scenario - detection of probable CSAM in a person's messages.

That's very much unlimited power to breach privacy.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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> But your "next step" is far beyond what even China does. And yet online services blocking access to non-SecureBoot devices is already the norm for industries ranging from online gaming[0] to fast food![1] Add in the fact that Hollywood wants this (for DRM and blocking torrenting apps) and governments like Australia claiming their laws trump the laws of mathematics[2], and you can almost guarantee that this is going…

> And yet online services blocking access to non-SecureBoot devices is already the norm for industries ranging from online gaming[0] to fast food![1] Specific online services doing so is very different from a general ISP ban. A general ISP ban is impossible as long as you have an IO channel of any kind, including projection of text or playing sound. See the end of this comment. SecureBoot in itself also does not in a…

> SecureBoot in itself also does not in any sense stop general purpose computing of unsigned code.

It's true that SecureBoot isn't enough, but its current lack of ubiquity is the only thing holding back such a law. A government couldn't demand that a large proportion of voters throw away their PCs / phones, but requiring people to use an "approved" app store is as simple as writing a law and making a couple of calls to Microsoft, Apple, and Google. (See the end of this comment.) Just look at how quickly voters accepted having to carry around a Covid Pass app.

> and you've just kneecapped your software industry ... The EU has a long history of crazy demand like this

Indeed, and this is what people said about the GDPR, and it's what people said about Apple's on-device content scanning, and yet both of those got implemented (to some extent). The regulations I'm imagining are actually quite modest, and basically all software industry groups would support them. They just have to publish a public key on their website, perhaps in some .well-known location, and that would be enough to connect their submissions to app stores with their official company registration details.

Germany, for example, already requires that companies include Impressum information on their websites[0], and the EU is apparently trying to take this idea to its logical extreme with its controversial QWAC certificates[1]. In reality, it is businesses who decide what is reasonable or practical for a jurisdiction to mandate, and Apple is already making people pay an annual developer's tax to them to prove their identity, so no politician is going to say that an "online software development licence" is some sort of impossibility or gross infringement of people's freedoms. (Indeed, a law that makes things slightly more inconvenient for small developers/companies will only be more supported by the lobbyists of big companies, which is further grounds to suspect this will happen).

> If a channel can transfer language, it can transfer data.

You're right, it is possible to generate files that hide encrypted data within them, while also deniably hiding the fact that the encrypted data is there at all, and to do so in a way that is robust against the digital-analog-digital round trip (twice, since both the sender and receiver have to transfer the message between a locked-down and a jail-broken device). And of course the software to do this will have to be sent carefully from person to person, on USB sticks, since any computer that's allowed online will treat it as malware. And people will have to preserve old, unapproved devices to run this code on, which will become increasingly hard to find (with the sale, and then possession, of them being made illegal).

> But we're talking a regime more oppressive than China for this to even be relevant.

It's not more oppressive than China, at least not at the beginning. The first steps are already in place, and no one complained. If a jurisdiction can mandate multiple app stores, then it can mandate only "approved" app stores, and 50% of the population (the Apple fans) will cheer for such regulations, saying that side-loading is dangerous and only the most trusted gatekeepers should be allowed to decide what runs on people's devices.

If you're still not convinced, imagine that the law initially applies just to companies, and is pushed to prevent piracy and to protect cybersecurity of the economy. Would companies really reject such a rule (if it was phased in over a long enough timeframe that all their computers already supported SecureBoot by default)? Perhaps there would be an exemption for software companies to start with, if you think that's a sticking point. Also, imagine these laws being introduced in the aftermath of a cyberattack on energy infrastructure which causes massive prolonged blackouts. I'm not saying this would be a false flag... I'm just saying that one way or another, such a law will pass, even in a liberal democracy.

[0] https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/websites/digital-law/a-ca...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_website_authenticati...

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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I'm curious which population in Australia you are designating as "indigenous". Here in the UK, "indigenous" usually means white. But I think of indigenous Australians as the aboriginals. So there's history in Australia of white immigrants trying to force aboriginals to "integrate" with whites. I suppose you could call that "targeted diversification". But you make it sound as if your social circle is white people, obj…

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Oh dear.

Well I'm not going to argue with a blood-and-land white nationalist from Oz, telling me how people feel here in Europe. I'm going to butt out, because I have blood-pressure problems. Bye.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Have you ever seen a poll of a European country where people wanted more immigration (from the 3rd world)?

A significant portion of Swedes legitimately want more immigration.

Can you back this up? Most swedes I know are reluctant to speak, but in confidence say that “it’s a bit too much”

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Merkel is not christian-conservative except for the label of the party itself. She hit most of the progressive boxes really, especially "no nations, no borders" and the climate sale of indulgence. I also wanna add that Merkel was elected by big city voters as well and not just the (framed stupid and wrong) "rural masses". > They must have enough votes to influence policy in such a big way. And those are the ones that…

This sounds like you're coming from a very US viewpoint. By European standards she is firmly conservative.

I am German and her politics and talking points were progressive politics/talking points.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Rather a lot of them were young and naive left-wing supporters who looked at USSR through rose glasses. Wouldn't you want to be bureaucrat in late USSR? No threat of purges above you, only endless opportunity to play with your minions as you see fit.

Believe it or not, the late USSR bureaucracy was anything but left-wing. It only held onto the name through inertia, greatly muddying the definitions of left- and right-wing. I believe the most accurate description is that left-wing are ideas emphasizing equality and right-wing are ideas emphasizing hierarchy/inequality. On the extreme end one way you have anarchist ideals (everyone is equal because everyone has full…

Depends how you define left wing.

It was highly collectivist and little private property. It was also working hard on building the new homo sovieticus. And the idea of world domination never really went away. It was also equally poor, especially if you skip party elite. Capital was not a thing. Well, social capital did play a big role :)

I can’t agree that left wing is for equality while right wing is anti-equality. Unless you’re talking about equality of outcomes, which is madness IMO.

I’d rather say that left is for equality and right wing is for fairness. Equality leads to unfair outcomes for better-equipped. While fair treatment leads to unequal results. Both has pros and cons.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Believe it or not, the late USSR bureaucracy was anything but left-wing. It only held onto the name through inertia, greatly muddying the definitions of left- and right-wing. I believe the most accurate description is that left-wing are ideas emphasizing equality and right-wing are ideas emphasizing hierarchy/inequality. On the extreme end one way you have anarchist ideals (everyone is equal because everyone has full…

Depends how you define left wing. It was highly collectivist and little private property. It was also working hard on building the new homo sovieticus. And the idea of world domination never really went away. It was also equally poor, especially if you skip party elite. Capital was not a thing. Well, social capital did play a big role :) I can’t agree that left wing is for equality while right wing is anti-equality.…

Left-wing is not collectivism, it's not low private property, it's not world domination, it's not poor. The NSDAP was highly collectivist - they all had to work together to build the master race, no? I imagine North Korea doesn't have very much private property.

The original right wing were monarchism apologists. Hitler's right wing set up a hierarchy based on race. Mussolini's right wing set up a hierarchy based on nationality, and later race, and was also explicitly collectivist, by the way, speaking of "the debacle of individualism" and "collaboration between the classes". And capitalism makes a hierarchy based on the number next to everyone's name in the bank's spreadsheet (which is also what a social credit score is, by the way). How many more examples do you want?

The right wing usually defines fairness as some kind of meritocracy based on the hierarchy du jour. For example the current right wing thinks it's fair that people with higher numbers get more stuff. Hitler thought it was fair the German empire would belong to Aryans. Mussolini wanted to expand the Italian empire. And the monarchism apologists thought it was fair that a king's children would have special rights. Sure, they support fairness, by defining it their way, in ways that most of us actually wouldn't call fair.

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