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Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by mattkrause »

chrismeller wrote: post #16
tkfu wrote: post #8

I'm a bit skeptical of your claim that "getting a work permit in Europe basically isn't possible without a degree". Is it an EU country? In every European country I've had direct experience with (DK, DE, IT, PT, FR, BE), you can get a residence permit with the right to work by applying as an accompanying spouse, or under a family reunification scheme. Of course, in some countries this can take time, but certainly not…

I would also add that every EU country I've looked at also has an "or equivalent work experience" clause for their tech/skilled-path work permits that would void the education requirement.

Keep in mind that some HR folks may not know too much about various forms of work permits.

I work for a university that's a short drive from the US border, and yet had to harangue HR into applying for a NAFTA/USMCA work permit (which is easier) instead doing the "standard" thing.

It's worth spending some time figuring out what you are eligible for so you can at least try to put them on the happy path.

Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by washedupsysadm »

brudgers wrote: post #5

Why not start working on a college degree to solve the work permit problem (wgu.edu comes to mind)? In the meantime, reaching out the the thirty years of coworkers, bosses, and subordinates might also provide job leads related to your direct experience. Good luck.

> Why not start working on a college degree to solve the work permit problem (wgu.edu comes to mind)?

I think about this, considering I'll be retired in the next decade due to declining health, it feels like a huge investment in time I don't have.

> In the meantime, reaching out the the thirty years of coworkers, bosses, and subordinates might also provide job leads related to your direct experience.

Been working through that. I have 6 open job offers if I move home to San Francisco.

Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by Aspos »

Turkiye is not EU and is not Europe in practical sense.

Consult an attorney in Turkiye. Never heard of university diploma being a requirement for a work permit. There are hundreds of thousands of refugees in Turkiye which do not have any diplomas.

Join a sweatshop (an agency) in upwork: they take care of finding customers in exchange for a portion of your income. DevOps with fluent English is a limited resource.

You can always create an LLC in the US and work for it remotely. So your employer pays a contractor (your LLC), LLC pays you dividends. Talk to an accountant in Turkiye, but I doubt there will be any taxation difficulties with the foreign income. You can get an LLC in Turkiye as well, by the way.

Search for a job in Dubai: English is the main language there, no taxes, adjacent timezone.

Give a slightly different spin to your story: give employers your US address, say you are a digital nomad which happens to be living in TR temporarily.

Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by washedupsysadm »

maxboone wrote: post #32

Would you want to live in the EU (e.g. Netherlands) or rather stay in Turkey? Our company, and others in the Amsterdam area, often hire from Turkey and take care of immigration afaik.

We'd love it. I've applied to a few dozen jobs in Amsterdam, Paris, Barcelona and Copenhagen. I'm shocked at the low salaries, but still I get tripped up by my lack of a degree.

Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by wittjeff »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #9

I see three paths here: 1. Get a degree. Sign up for something like Western Governor's University or anything you can complete at quickly as possible. Burn the the curriculum by working your ass off to get that degree. This path makes sense if getting a degree is, as you state, the only thing from preventing you from working locally. 2. Get a USA job. Update your CV to make it look like you've been doing something ov…

> 1. Get a degree

Several of the fully-online Masters programs on edX.org are as low as $10K.

https://www.edx.org/masters

Disclosure: I work for edX.

Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by gwbas1c »

I've certainly had where I live decided by family issues; so I can empathize. (I get very insulted when recruiters casually suggest that I can move.)

The main issue that I see is that you don't have a degree. I can't speak much for outside the US, but within the US it's also difficult to have a long-term tech career without a degree. If you stayed in the US, you might also have similar troubles. (And eventually got a degree, perhaps by doing an online degree during COVID.)

Thus, I would suggest figuring out how to get a degree.

Having been on both sides of the table, (job seeker and resume reviewer,) I can tell you that the degree means more than you think. Assuming that any job you're applying for gets 100+ applicants, anyone without a degree will be filtered out without due consideration.

Even something like an online degree will get your resume past the checkbox.

Again, the goal is to get your resume its due consideration. (Because, to repeat myself, when a job opening has 100+ applicants, there are simple filters like "degree required" that get you filtered out before anyone is really reading your resume.)

Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

> Getting a work permit in Europe basically isn't possible without a degree.

This is not correct; of the Member States which participate in the Blue Card system (almost all of them), almost all of those accept 5 years of relevant experience instead of a degree. One or two exceptions are 10 years.

Some Member States do not apply a labour market test, making the process even simpler.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-blue-card...

Re: Ask HN: Remote-Friendly for International Timezones?

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Post by fishyninja »

We're a US (New York) based team that opened an SWE office in Istanbul this year. We haven't dealt with sponsorship in Turkiye yet. The workday overlap has worked out great; more than sufficient for standup and requirements collaboration. Rest of the work happens async. My wife is also Turkish. Happy to chat if you post a way to contact you.
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