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Patent Trolls Inbound: Our First Lawsuit

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Re: Patent Trolls Inbound: Our First Lawsuit

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post #90

There needs to be an anti-patent-troll membership organization. You pay a fee relative to some metric and the organization acts as insurance against parent trolls by fully defending any patent lawsuits that are obviously unjustified. And to keep costs low, membership in this organization would be public to deter patent trolls from even trying to sue a member in the first place.

There's at least one i know of: https://www.unifiedpatents.com/

Re: Patent Trolls Inbound: Our First Lawsuit

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really good idea to bring it to yc - they know how much legal fights like these have cost across all of the cohorts. And obviously they would pitch it internally to all existing + future startups. Maybe this is what ends this garbage once and for all?

I think $10k/yr is fairly reasonable even for startups. However, a lot of these trolls go after small businesses, don’t they?

I mean kind of. They have to go for people that have money to pay them off, but not enough to make fighting them worth it. Startup is kind of nebulous, but there is a difference between a 40+ million series B startup and a small business that would balk at $10k a year. I would guess the trolls go for more of the former than the latter.

Re: Patent Trolls Inbound: Our First Lawsuit

#163

"comma isn’t run by rational actors in suits sitting on a committee. It’s run by me, George Hotz. I’m willing to lose $1M before I give him $10k." This stance is admirable but comma.ai is partly owned by investors. Isn't he obliged to find the lowest cost solution to this ? Or is George Hotz planning to spend his personal money on the lawsuit ?

Not if the investors agree with Hotz.

If you invest in a geohot-owned business, you should probably know who you're bankrolling. This type of behavior by him is hardly surprising.

Re: Patent Trolls Inbound: Our First Lawsuit

#165

In every western country - except the US and England - the loser pays for the cost of the trial (all parties' lawyer fees + the court). Just this reduces frivolous lawsuits. If you have a good case, sure, go ahead. If your case is weak, you run a real risk paying not only for your lawyers but the other side as well. (Note that there are disadvantages to loser-pays as well. Image you legitimately want to sue corporati…

These suits usually take place in east Texas, where people are unfamiliar with tech. Am from east Texas, have seen literal patent trolls open an office next to the court house. They wanted to build the web 3.0 (not web 3) bit only wanted to hire part time students. They made it look like big tech was stopping them from being successful. Their pitch to me was they had a strong patent portfolio.

Re: Patent Trolls Inbound: Our First Lawsuit

#166
I always admired George, his simplicity and vision. But after this I respect him even more:

  What he didn’t take into account is that comma isn’t run by rational actors in suits sitting on a committee. It’s run by me, George Hotz. I’m willing to lose $1M before I give him $10k. We will hire an amazing legal team, fight this, and while doing so invalidate his patents so they can’t be used against anyone else. Not because it’s rational, but because it’s the right thing to do.

This only can come from a strong character. Very rare these days where everybody calculates their angles even in matter of just cause or "right thing to do so" staff. Sometimes you need to get hit for good cause. You'll get stronger, but more importantly society as a whole will get stronger. Every win against patent trolls matters. Who knows how many great companies did they destroyed, which would make big change in our world. How many inventions delayed. Fuck them George.
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