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Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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Re: Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedal-cyclist injury severity

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Post by Auracle »

Toutouxc wrote: post #120
Auracle wrote: post #59

I drive a Camaro. I can’t fit an infant seat behind my driver’s side seat, and I sit abnormally closer to the steering wheel than most. Never mind a larger child seat. Ok, you’re saying - but that’s a Camaro. Well, said Camaro is in repair at the moment and they gave me a loaner. It’s a Chevy Sonic. I also can’t fit the infant seat behind the driver’s side. To be fair, it’s a subcompact. However, even in my wife’s CX…

Are you and your wife just really really tall? I mean, I haven't driven any one of these particular cars, but I drive a 90 HP, 50 MPG sedan that four average adults can fit in comfortably. Some things that American aspiring tank drivers say can't be done, are an everyday occurrence in Europe.

The child seats come out way further than a human does where the person's chest would be.

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Post by ehaliewicz2 »

wiredfool wrote: post #133
ehaliewicz2 wrote: post #78

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My 2021 miata isn't really much larger than a 1989 miata.

It weighs 300lbs more, or 15%.

In terms of mass it weighs more (depending on model, it can be as little as 200lbs more), but it's not actually much larger in terms of size. I think it is actually smaller in some dimensions.

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Post by alamortsubite »

kqr wrote: post #65
emmelaich wrote: post #6

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Agree with your speculation. Here's another one. Even WHEN THE DRIVER sees you, some subconsciously ignore you. I'v had people look straight at me, keep driving then looking shocked when they finally realise and hit the brakes. I can only surmise they perceive traffic in terms of threats. When you're in a bigger car, threats are reduced.

At one point when biking to work I stopped at an intersection and filtered to the front. The head vehicle was a huge yellow thing built for construction work. I turned my head to see if I could see the driver (then at least he would have a chance of seeing me) and you know what he did? He understood what I was doing and pointed straight at me to indicate he had noticed me. This is something I've started doing when I'…

I do this, too, especially for pedestrians in crosswalks but also for cyclists and other motorists. The funny thing is I've never seen anyone else do it, yet everyone I point at always seems to immediately understand.

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Post by fomine3 »

hawski wrote: post #136
froh wrote: post #121

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where did you hear that from? The A-Segment is well alive and thriving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-segment What I see instead is very small electric vehicles entering the market from new manufacturers --- the market entry hurdle was not the vehicle safety, it was mastering the EURO-6,7,8 and California environmental norms with such a small engine. I'd love to get one of those, or their van equivalents, rather, a…

Toyota Aygo is no longer produced. Replaced by Aygo X - a somewhat bigger car. Renault Twingo is produced, but is not offered in some countries (I know about UK and Poland). Peugeot 108 is no longer produced and AFAIU a successor was cancelled. Same thing for sibling Citroen C1. Aygo was also a sibling model. Suzuki Ignis is a crossover now. Skoda Citigo is no longer produced. Its sibling model VW Up is still produce…

> Renault Twingo is produced, but is not offered in some countries

This argument is applied for every vehicle except extremely major one, like Corolla?

> Suzuki Ignis is a crossover now.

It's actually just a bit high A-seg hatchback. Its weight is like 900kg. I've driven it and like it because I don't need SUV w/big tires (unnecessary expensive!) but just need a bit high.

I think every manufacturers just want upselling in current market situation, and A-segs needed to be cheap. VW and Skoda that you pick looks good example. Not due to safety.

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Post by Chris2048 »

mitchdoogle wrote: post #232
Chris2048 wrote: post #160

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again, why do cyclists not provide opportunity/threat data more or less than other cars?

Probably because of poor training and infrequent interactions with cyclists/pedestrians. If something isn't a part of your regular life, and you haven't been told you need to watch out for it, then why would you?

Are you suggesting car drivers aren't trained to watch out for cyclists/pedestrians?

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Post by mc32 »

a4isms wrote: post #186
musha68k wrote: post #45

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I once managed to barely jump and slide over the hood of a car that came up behind me and turned - at considerable speed - right into the pedestrian crossing I had been traversing on a green light. The driver looked right through me, didn’t even realize it until my - corner of the eye induced - leap. I would be dead for 15 years now if that would have been a SUV. Lots of people really don’t seem to have a good grasp…

> driving these tanks They are not tanks. They are suburban armoured personnel carriers.

Not even. You see them in cities themselves. Like why? Finding large parking lots is hard and it’s by definition urban and you can’t possibly have mud or ditches to traverse in your 4x4!

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Post by brnt »

This is why weight is a concept used in the Netherlands to determine liability. The more weight you put in motion on public roads, the more liable you're going to be. In a collision, drivers of vehicles that are significantly heavier are going to be assumed at (partial) fault. Kinetics are not complicated.

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Post by mslate »

kqr wrote: post #62
asdff wrote: post #47

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The odds are in your favor to be honest. I live in a city of 4 million people. 10-20 cyclist die a year. I'll roll those dice when the variance is that high. I figure I bike safer than the average biker I see on the road anyhow, so my odds of survival go up even higher. Probably not a small number of those accidents involved intoxicated bikers or mentally ill; I see a lot of people, clearly out of their mind through…

Something else that improves your QALYs: cycling. Of course, it's about exercise more generally, but if you don't have time to exercise only, doing it while commuting is clever! In most locations in the world -- my null hypothesis includes the US here too -- people who commute by bike (for all its risks) live longer and are sick less than those who do not.

What is QALY?

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Post by kqr »

mslate wrote: post #268
kqr wrote: post #62

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Something else that improves your QALYs: cycling. Of course, it's about exercise more generally, but if you don't have time to exercise only, doing it while commuting is clever! In most locations in the world -- my null hypothesis includes the US here too -- people who commute by bike (for all its risks) live longer and are sick less than those who do not.

What is QALY?

Quality-adjusted life years. Sometimes used as the unit in which to measure interventions aimed at improving health.

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Post by _Wintermute »

mc32 wrote: post #266
a4isms wrote: post #186

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> driving these tanks They are not tanks. They are suburban armoured personnel carriers.

Not even. You see them in cities themselves. Like why? Finding large parking lots is hard and it’s by definition urban and you can’t possibly have mud or ditches to traverse in your 4x4!

Even worse is that they're becoming increasingly common in European cities that really don't have much space.
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