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Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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Googler, opinions are my own. I don't work on chrome or anything related. Many companies put out free software to drive people towards their products, and Chrome with Google Search seems to be one of those. As many know, improving and maintaining Chrome is not free, and having Google Search being a default is one part of what helps pay for this work. Yes, this is Google, yes, this is likely a tiny drop in the bucket…

What a bizarre way to justify surveillance. Who said the web browser can't be sold instead? The browser and the search engine should not be developed by the same company, there are clear conflicts of interest there, but we all know why Google provides all of these products and services "for free".

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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Context and rationale here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=956012

...slightly related question, what is the benefit of using the Debian package, versus the Ubuntu snap?

As a CentOS user, the Ubuntu snap is updated much more often than the EPEL package.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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Can someone please explain why we are supposed to trust DDG? Isnt it just a random website that popped up out of nowhere claiming to be private yet no audit has ever been conducted which substantiated those claims?

It is a legit company based in Pennsylvania, not some random website. Their privacy policy explicitly states they do not collect user info. If they are caught doing it anyway they could be open to legal action. While they may be lying, at least it's better than other search engines where collecting data is explicit and built into their business model. edit: I should have just down-voted and moved on.

That doesnt mean anything. I can go ahead and register an LLC in Pennsylvania too for a few hundred bucks and then put up a website with a completely fictional privacy policy. I could collect everyones IPs depite claims that we do not, and no one would be able to prove it.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't supposed to. Even if you assume they lie in every sentence about their data collection, with their current setup it would be much harder for them to build a valuable shadow profile about you. They haven't been caught running fingerprinting scripts yet and they dont have an account system to tie to your searches. At best they could use your ip to build a shadow profile and thats wildly inaccurate in our mos…

How do you know what server-side profiling occurs or does not occur? There is no way to know that. DDG gives people a completely misplaced and false sense of security, when they are just as easily comprimisable/corruptable/subpoenable/susceptible to NSLs, EDRs and secret court orders as any other company. And I disagree with your premise that it's particularly difficult to link a persons IP to their real world identi…

I am aware that they are susepctible to nation state level data collection, just like every site on the internet. I conduct all my non e2e encrypted communications/interactions with this in mind.

I just want to avoid my data being monetized.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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Some unintended consequences: > This change caused my chromium browser to report that it's being managed by my "organization". I thought that my machine was somehow compromised. This is terrifying! I wound up deleting my entire chromium profile before I discovered that the root cause was this DuckDuckGo config change. https://bugs.debian.org/956012

Sounds like a Chromium bug, not a Debian bug--it's an insidious way to keep Google search as the default.

Uh, no? This is managed policy, and this is a 100% good way of letting the user know that someone else has control of their settings

Just because Debian thinks that they are doing the right thing, they are in fact, controlling the user's settings through a policy It's just telling you that, as it should.

The notion that it has anything to do with keeping search the default or not is like, such a silly assumption i don't know where to begin.

The feature overall came from a desire of enterprises to manage browser settings. Back then, Google was one of the first to tell you someone was doing that to you so that you knew your organization could see and control your settings.

IE had a deployment kit that let you deploy managed browser settings, but you didn't get told (this changed, eventually, i think, it's been a while)

Letting orgs change the default search engine was an explicit, designed goal, since some wanted to redirect people to their internal searches by default, etc.

There is in fact, another way to do this that is easy and doesn't give the user the same warning, and is meant for software distributors

You can just use master preferences here for this kind of thing and it is meant for this use case.

Google in fact, made this easy and officially supported, despite your claim.

It would likely be pretty silly to make this hard - end users aren't using these interfaces or tools, and distributors always know how to change this stuff .

As HN as grown in popularity, the sheer number of kneejerk reaction comments has unfortunately kept pace (IE the overall percent has not dropped. Even sadder, nobody ever goes back and edits it or replies and was like "you know what, i was probably wrong".

They feel comfortable moving on and doing it again.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know what server-side profiling occurs or does not occur? There is no way to know that. DDG gives people a completely misplaced and false sense of security, when they are just as easily comprimisable/corruptable/subpoenable/susceptible to NSLs, EDRs and secret court orders as any other company. And I disagree with your premise that it's particularly difficult to link a persons IP to their real world identi…

I am aware that they are susepctible to nation state level data collection, just like every site on the internet. I conduct all my non e2e encrypted communications/interactions with this in mind. I just want to avoid my data being monetized.

I'm more worried about teenage crooks equipped with Emergency Data Request PDF templates than any nation state. We know Google, Facebook, Snapchat etc were all giving up information on users without a court order to these crooks. All it took(probably still) was a EDR notice alleging an imminent threat to human life is about to occur -sent from a real or fake police dept email- and companies will hand over your data without second thought.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flattering. Unfortunately my search engine is far away, both in terms of functionality and hardware capacity from being able to deal with that. Maybe some day, who knows, but not yet. Even if I'm destined to make the Linux of search engines, we're metaphorically living in 1992 or so. Would be funny though because it's both developed on a Debian workstation and hosted on a Debian server.

After DDG decided they would censor material they considered misinformation from Russia I went out search engine shopping and I'm using brave search. I value transparency and fairness and can make my own mind about things (I remember when being against the Iraq or Lybia wars made you a terrorist sympsthizer). Do you have any stance there? (I'm not saying you should have one or agree with mine, just curious. Every sea…

In general I'm not a big fan of censorship. I think it's ultimately counterproductive. It sends the message that the "truth" needs to be protected from independent scrutiny, effectively undermining the credibility of the institutions, while enabling crackpots to develop a persecution narrative.

That said I do block some sites, mostly nazi stuff if it's designed in such a way that it crops up in regular searches. It's a fairly small number of sites though.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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post #43

Googler, opinions are my own. I don't work on chrome or anything related. Many companies put out free software to drive people towards their products, and Chrome with Google Search seems to be one of those. As many know, improving and maintaining Chrome is not free, and having Google Search being a default is one part of what helps pay for this work. Yes, this is Google, yes, this is likely a tiny drop in the bucket…

Chromium isn't just gratis software ("free" has a different meaning), it's open source software. There is no implicit expectation that downstream users can't change it any way want[1] and redistribute the result, that's the whole point of the open source license that Chromium is released under. 1. Within existing legal boundaries, of course

it's also a derived work of KHTML

so complaining that it is being modified to restore it back to its demonitised form reeks of entitlement

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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post #43

Googler, opinions are my own. I don't work on chrome or anything related. Many companies put out free software to drive people towards their products, and Chrome with Google Search seems to be one of those. As many know, improving and maintaining Chrome is not free, and having Google Search being a default is one part of what helps pay for this work. Yes, this is Google, yes, this is likely a tiny drop in the bucket…

Microsoft also has people contributing to Chrome and apparently DDG searches go to Bing. So no difference.
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