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Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

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post #71

tbh if we want some competition to google we should support bing

The big reasons people seem to be looking for alternatives are privacy concerns and increasingly aggressive optimization for NLP. DDG and Bing both have ~1% market share and both return decent results - why support the one that will ostensibly become Google II if given the opportunity?

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

#82
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "At DuckDuckGo, we've been rolling out search updates that down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation. In addition to down-ranking sites associated with disinformation, we also often place news modules and information boxes at the top of DuckDuckGo search results (where they are seen and clicked the most) to highlight quality information for rapidly unfolding topics." https://twitter.com/yegg/status/150…

I realize that due to own my unfortunate phrasing, how our news results rankings work have been highly misinterpreted since then. I subsequently put out a clarification thread ( https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1515635886855233537 ) and then we (DuckDuckGo) made a help page to explain how our news rankings actually work. I suggest anyone interested check it out (it’s short): https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help…

You still haven't convinced me, or many others who used your service to the contrary, and your explanation like in this thread here doesn't match what you are preaching.

https://twitter.com/pkm_inc/status/1515677462251945986

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

#85
post #2

Some unintended consequences: > This change caused my chromium browser to report that it's being managed by my "organization". I thought that my machine was somehow compromised. This is terrifying! I wound up deleting my entire chromium profile before I discovered that the root cause was this DuckDuckGo config change. https://bugs.debian.org/956012

This is actually not that uncommon... I've stumbled on a similar thing with the browsers as shipped by Fedora

It's superficial but I completely understand the alarm

For those noticing this, be aware that you'll likely see it elsewhere. Don't panic.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

#86
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, but that seems like a reasonable funding solution given that Google is expected to pay Apple ~$20B this year: https://dazeinfo.com/2022/01/05/google-pays-apple-for-not-la...

Apple has hundreds of millions of wealthy customers. Debian does not.

They have a few though. Certainly they don't have captive users who only install what they are allowed to and use the default settings. Linux users are probably the worst target market for advertisers.

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora did this for a while to inject the word "Fedora" into the User Agent. They eventually stopped because users were similarly spooked.

They still do it

I'm on a fresh install of Fedora 36 (KDE Spin) and my Firefox UA is currently showing as "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:103.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/103.0".

Re: Debian's Chromium changes default search engine to DDG

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora did this for a while to inject the word "Fedora" into the User Agent. They eventually stopped because users were similarly spooked.

Putting even more identifying information into User Agent strings seems completely insane, who's interests is that meant to serve? The number of people in any town with Fedora in their UA must be minuscule, that blows a huge number of 'privacy bits', and for what?

I think it's for installation tracking to some degree -- they do this by the browser user agents but _also_ machine-ids sent with DNF (the package manager)

I love the project, I really dislike this 'gather things that might be useful to someone' behavior and having to MITM my system to see what it's actually doing

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