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Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

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Re: Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

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post #8

The normalization of Denuvo, as well as "anti-cheat" protection that involves constant monitoring of your environment, is a fucking travesty for privacy and games. The worst part about Denuvo is that cracking it is game-specific, and there's ~1 person who is willing and able to do it (and currently isn't touching denuvo due to not being donated enough money)

It really makes me sad that people are even willing to create these systems. It would haunt me forever if I took part in writing something like this.

One sad lesson I learned early on in my software career is, for every ethical stand you are willing to take as a developer, there's always some other developer who is willing set aside ethics or has a different set of ethics. Software needs some kind of baseline ethical standard, like a Hippocratic Oath. A line that we "shall not cross."

I remember my first job out of college, I was asked to write code that caused our software to cheat at a certain industry benchmark. I was very junior, but still realized it was wrong. I finally worked up the courage to tell my boss that I had an ethical problem with doing this and wouldn't do it, and to my surprise, he said "Oh, that's fine! We treat software developers well here. I'll just give you a different bug ticket to work on!"

Jim, a few cubicles down from me had no problem writing the benchmark-cheating code. It's kind of futile.

Re: Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

#32

What can we, the tech community, do to make it more likely that this ends up being defeated and an utter failure?

Several developers have walked back their use of Denuvo after fan outcry, usually armed with data about how it adversely affects performance. That's pretty much all we can do. Of course neutralizing Denuvo (i.e. cracking it to demonstrate that it's not meaningfully preventing piracy) would also help.

> Several developers have walked back their use of Denuvo after fan outcry, usually armed with data about how it adversely affects performance.

No they haven't. They stopped paying for Denuvo after a time, given they have to pay on a monthly basis, because the number of sales they make goes down over time and Denuvo has done it's job.

Re: Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

#33

I think the market that plays games on emulators is pretty different than the market that plays on console. I don't know if this will really bring the effect that the game devs want. It will only hurt the preservation and cultural impact of these games down the road when one isn't able to buy the games new but they can't be emulated.

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Re: Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

#34
post #10

Denuvo "copy protection" is so universally loathed by PC gamers that several publishers have ended up removing it in updates to their games, for example Mass Effect Legendary Edition. https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/mass-effect-legendary-e... Note how getting rid of Denuvo also saved about one gigabyte (!!) of disk space. Denuvo slowed some games down so much that playing online with a cracked version is conside…

Anecdotally, the moment new Doom eternal brought it on, I demanded a refund with a clear indication why I submitted it. I am paying for this. And no, I do not care one bit that an executive can't buy a yacht this year if I have to suffer for their crappy decisions.

But that is the thing.. you have to be a conscious customer. You can't just say 'oh, i guess everyone is getting screwed; on average i am being screwed less; so i win..'.

The only appropriate response is, and I am not using profanity lightly:

'No. Because fuck you that is why.'

I accept I am a minority, but I also was raised in different era and have patience that comes with age.

Re: Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

#35
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would require them to give refunds at all, the eShop currently does not do that and no one fought them on it yet. Realistically Nintendo can do whatever they want, they could take a dump in times square and people would flock to it. They've been selling broken controllers for 6 years.

I’ve always found this an interesting criticism. Switch controllers might break more often but I’ve never had a game system controller that didn’t end up with drift in the course of a year or two (and I don’t play games often.)

It's not just drift, even though that statistically is more likely to happen in JoyCons, there were/are quite a few issues with Switch controllers:

* Big connectivity issues for a long while after launch(I couldn't play on my couch with the switch in front of my TV)

* Aforementioned drift

* Sticky buttons on Pro controllers, those still happen

* None of the Nintendo controllers correctly advertise polling rate for BT HID, so they're impossible to use on most phones

All of that at more than premium prices, even in refreshed/newly produced units.

Re: Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

#36
post #22

why does this trash still exist? Haven't we learned anything from starforce, securom and all the other DRMs? Also don't companies understand that most people who pirate these days either do it or rather not play the game at all? Personally, I blacklisted all denuvo games long time ago and don't own any.

The time-to-crack varies depending on the game. Cracks for popular games such as Dying Light 2 and Far Cry 6 were released months after the games were initially released. Less popular games such as Burnout Paradise Remastered have yet to be cracked.

So this anti-consumer garbage is likely calculated, by the publisher, to be worth paying for Denuvo even if it eventually gets cracked.

Re: Denuvo Launches Nintendo Switch Emulator Protection

#40
post #10

Denuvo "copy protection" is so universally loathed by PC gamers that several publishers have ended up removing it in updates to their games, for example Mass Effect Legendary Edition. https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/mass-effect-legendary-e... Note how getting rid of Denuvo also saved about one gigabyte (!!) of disk space. Denuvo slowed some games down so much that playing online with a cracked version is conside…

Your totally valid point aside, GPUs have cratered. There’s actually a glut of them now. The 3090ti price was recently cut in half and the rumor mill is the 40 series was over provisioned based on crypto demand which has now also cratered, so there will be a lot of stock on the market. Now is a good time to look at upgrading if you haven’t in a bit.

Everyone keeps saying that but at least where I'm at that's not the case by a longshot. It is better, yes, but still terrible.

This generation is completely dead to me, maybe next one.

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