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Post by weatherlite »

_kbh_ wrote: post #382
random314 wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suicidal for whom?

Russia. I don't see how anyone can see the massive losses Russia has had as well as the lasting impacts of sanctions as anything but suicidal. Russia cannot even build a modern car with ABS and airbags, let alone a plane or a tank while sanctions are in place.

They will get whatever tech they need from China in return for their oil and gas. I also think for sure overall invading Ukraine was a bad move but calling it suicidal sounds like a reach to me; at least as far as we can see so far - Russia is holding on and shows no signs of cracking.

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Post by bombcar »

brianwawok wrote: post #420
bombcar wrote: post #415

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Yep - many people see the "gun deaths" number and assume all of those are crimes (well, technically suicide is a crime where the victim and the perpetrator are the same).

In addition, a hunge chunk of the actual gun deaths are related to drug and drug trafficing. If you don't deal/buy drugs, and you don't drive through the inner city projects where turf wars are a thing, you can cross that off your list. I feel very safe from gun violence in the US.

Once you factor those out, I think you are MUCH more likely to be killed by a vehicle than anything else.

And even if you don't, it's about even.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #337

This is great news! Turn other countries into a desirable place to be! The more this happens the more people will just stay and work in other countries because US and Europe don't have anything to offer.

> The more this happens the more people will just stay and work in other countries because US and Europe don't have anything to offer.

The point here is that the US is missing on talent, not that other countries would benefit from it. It's a failure of the US immigration policy to the economy.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #125

Over 99.99% of rejected H1B applicants do not build unicorns back home. What is the point here? Let them all in in case one of them makes a unicorn? This is rock people thinking on the level of "every aborted baby could have become the next Mozart".

> What is the point here? Let them all in in case one of them makes a unicorn?

The point is that if a talented engineer has to go back home because becoming a permanent resident takes over ten years, and the H-1B system is a literal gamble, then the US immigration policy has failed.

> This is rock people thinking on the level of "every aborted baby could have become the next Mozart".

The difference being that we know that visa holders are already talented, and maybe they wouldn't build the next unicorn, but their work provides a net benefit to the economy.

If anything, it would be overall better for the economy to kick out all the underperformers, regardless of their nationality, and let H-1B holders in.

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

cercatrova wrote: post #203
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #198

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> People are basically burning alive there and due to the high population This is only true for poor people. It might sound bad, but average Indian live much worse life than someone who could afford/have skills to visit US.

Yes, however due to there being significantly more poor people than rich people, especially tech workers, there will be antagonizing behavior in the future. There will be country-wide instability, and even if you're rich, a comparatively rich country like in Europe or the US will be substantially more stable than one with a higher degree of income inequality.

US has higher income inequality than India[0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#/media/File:M...

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Post by cercatrova »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #425
cercatrova wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, however due to there being significantly more poor people than rich people, especially tech workers, there will be antagonizing behavior in the future. There will be country-wide instability, and even if you're rich, a comparatively rich country like in Europe or the US will be substantially more stable than one with a higher degree of income inequality.

US has higher income inequality than India[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#/media/File:M...

It is not only income inequality one needs to look at, it is the amount of the baseline population which is well fed and taken care of, as generally, those that are will not wage war against the rich, while those that aren't are much more likely to.

If 90% of the population is starving and makes 10 dollars a day (hypothetical numbers), and 10% are rich and make 100 a day, the poor will be much more likely to revolt than in a scenario where 90% make 100 a day and can afford food, shelter, education etc, and the 10% make 1 million per day. It is not the level of inequality, it's the baseline.

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Post by random314 »

_kbh_ wrote: post #392
random314 wrote: post #391

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Russia is a virtual entity. The real person involved is Putin, and it is hard to see how this affects Putin at all. With Bush's invasion of Iraq, he ran the risk of losing the 2004 reelection. Putin doesn't even face that risk.

if Russia loses the war and the army collapses there could be some very consequences from Putin, and that it seperate from the consequence of the slow moving collapse of the Russian economy that has already started.

The Russian rouble is outperforming the usd this year. That does not look like a collapsing economy. In fact, it has gained 40% on the euro.

If Russia loses, they will withdraw to their borders. In the worst case they lose access to the Caspian sea. If not, they will acquire Ukraine.

The real loser is Ukraine, no matter what happens from here on.

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Post by govg »

zht wrote: post #65
factorialboy wrote: post #7

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> since India is like 5-10 years behind USA in the tech space, most unicorns in India are just companies that already exist in some form in USA. There are some areas where India has leapfrogged ahead of United States and China. Look at digital payments for instance. Since the 90's we have seen countless examples of how US / western products and services cannot be sold as-is. Like all markets, India is unique. It also…

sorry in what way has India's digital payments space leapfrogged China's? Do you know what WeChat/Alipay are?

Do you know what UPI is?

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Post by govg »

ignoramous wrote: post #19
factorialboy wrote: post #7

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> since India is like 5-10 years behind USA in the tech space, most unicorns in India are just companies that already exist in some form in USA. There are some areas where India has leapfrogged ahead of United States and China. Look at digital payments for instance. Since the 90's we have seen countless examples of how US / western products and services cannot be sold as-is. Like all markets, India is unique. It also…

> ...since India is like 5-10 years behind USA in the tech space The fact that the tech scene in the West (which is the place where most things happen ) is white-male dominated and likely outranks Indians by a factor of 10x (?), which means, as a group, they're likely to accomplish 10x in a lot of metrics. Also, India is roughly 5x / 10x behind the US in tech salaries too (amidst high inflation and weakening currency…

Indian salaries at the top firms ( FANG ) are more like 3x-4x lower now, and rising.

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Post by Qem »

If US dealed with immigration in the 1930s-1940s like it's done today, the Manhattan project probably would never had happened and Hitler would get the A-bomb first. Is omnious when a nation that owes so much to migrants becomes hostile to them.
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