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Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

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Cycling is cheap, often faster than driving (in my city), healthy, less noisy, creates vastly less pollution, less dangerous to pedastrians... And I'd guess that about 95% of drivers that I come across are respectful of the danger they present - overtaking with enough space, and not at too high a speed (my city doesn't have great bike lanes). Unfortunately, a typical journey involves passing more than 20 cars, which…

>Unfortunately, a typical journey involves passing more than 20 cars, which means experiencing at least 1 very close pass Unfortunately I see it the other way. Asa rule I give cyclists plenty of space when overtaking, even happily sitting behind a slow cyclist on a 60Mph road for 30 seconds to a minute in order to find a safe passing spot. However the same courtesy is not paid the other way. When in multi lane traffi…

First, let me just state up front: I agree with you that some people on bikes should show more care when passing cars closely. Dangerously close is dangerously close no matter who initiates it.

Second, while room should be given by both parties, the consequences for failure are far different between the two scenarios. In the scenario where the car driver is passing dangerously close, you have a multi-thousand pound vehicle potentially hitting an unprotected body. Even if the initial impact doesn't cause great harm to the person, there's a lot of potential for knocking the bike and person over and then causing them to get run over by the initial vehicle's wheels or into the path of a second vehicle nearby. Who loses most in this situation? The person riding the bike.

In the scenario where the person on the bike passes too closely and hits the stationary car, there's just a lot less energy and moving mass involved. The potential for serious injury is greatly reduced. And perhaps most importantly, the party suffering the greatest potential for serious injury is the one that caused the situation.

I don't mean to dismiss the potential for damage to the car (mirrors knocked off, scratches, etc) as that's a real thing which should be avoided. But there's also a VERY big difference between property damage and bodily damage.

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

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Honestly (at least from my experiences in Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Essen, and Kiel): As long as your bike isn’t super expensive (e.g., I’ve got this: https://boc24.de/products/bocas-bari-trapez ) and you’ve locked it with a lock that’s resistant to bolt cutters (even something as simple as https://www.kaufland.de/product/313003426/ ), it’s not going to get stolen. Even if you’ve locked it overnight for multiple days at t…

About locks - nobody ever picks locks, only brute force is used. If the lock is a cable lock, it's worthless. If the lock is solid metal over 5mm, it can only be cut by angle grinder. Once you are in angle grinder territory, whether it's 5mm or 15mm doesn't seem to matter. So i think there is no point spending over $100 on a lock. Additionaly, you can use a hydrawlick jack to break d-locks, but that doesnt work on ch…

And smaller locks are trendy now because it's much harder to use an angle grinder on a tiny u-lock without sawing through something else.

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

#513
post #184

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Is that really in-line with reality though? Cycling was becoming quite common in the UK and it was actively suppressed by urban planning because the stance was that "it was for the poors" and car travel (a newer mode of transport) was much preferred because it was luxurious. Jay Foreman has a good video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gohSeOYheXg

The popularity of the bicycle predates the rise of the automobile by a few decades. None of the article snippets in the linked thread even mention the existence of automobiles. But don’t worry, I’m certain these same type of articles were written about automobiles as well during their rise in the early 1900s.

People can't help but make this whole thread about cars vs bikes. It's a shame because there's a way more interesting story here about the humans instinct to blame "insert current thing" for everything.

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

#514
post #267

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> if a driver has to 'squeeze past', they are a bad driver if they do not kill you, they are not. or maybe if you are scared of other road users and need a "safe space" you aren't a good road user. just maybe > if a driver is driving so close that they couldn't react to a cyclist falling, they are a bad welcome to the reality. I'm not driving too close to you, you are zig-zaging in the middle of the street and you we…

> or maybe if you are scared of other road users and need a "safe space" you aren't a good road user. It’s not cyclists who feel the need to bring a climate-controlled metal protection bubble onto the road with them. Fear of other road users is in part what is fueling the SUV boom.

> It’s not cyclists who feel the need to bring a climate-controlled metal protection bubble onto the road with them

what foes that even mean?

do you live in the woods and only feed yourself with carcasses?

> Fear of other road users is in part what is fueling the SUV boom.

maybe in America

here it's micro cars that are booming

because after all SUV are stupid cars for stupid rich people with small dicks

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

#515
post #510

Cycling is cheap, often faster than driving (in my city), healthy, less noisy, creates vastly less pollution, less dangerous to pedastrians... And I'd guess that about 95% of drivers that I come across are respectful of the danger they present - overtaking with enough space, and not at too high a speed (my city doesn't have great bike lanes). Unfortunately, a typical journey involves passing more than 20 cars, which…

> Cycling is cheap, often faster than driving (in my city), healthy, less noisy, creates vastly less pollution, less dangerous to pedastrians... As a pedestrian in Manhattan I am in much more danger from cyclists that from cars, trucks and buses. Literally every single day I will see a dozen cyclists run red lights, go the wrong way down one way streets and ride on crowded sidewalks. While bicycles are much lighter a…

In terms of "much more danger from cyclists", the statistics would thoroughly disagree with you [0].

[0] https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/nycdot-pedestria...

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

#516
post #510

Cycling is cheap, often faster than driving (in my city), healthy, less noisy, creates vastly less pollution, less dangerous to pedastrians... And I'd guess that about 95% of drivers that I come across are respectful of the danger they present - overtaking with enough space, and not at too high a speed (my city doesn't have great bike lanes). Unfortunately, a typical journey involves passing more than 20 cars, which…

> Cycling is cheap, often faster than driving (in my city), healthy, less noisy, creates vastly less pollution, less dangerous to pedastrians... As a pedestrian in Manhattan I am in much more danger from cyclists that from cars, trucks and buses. Literally every single day I will see a dozen cyclists run red lights, go the wrong way down one way streets and ride on crowded sidewalks. While bicycles are much lighter a…

Drivers killed about 200 times as many people as bicyclists over a 15 year period. You are misplacing your fears.

https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/nycdot-pedestria...

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

#518
post #465

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As a blind pedastian, I disagree violently. I typically hurt myself once a week because a careless cyclist put their bicycle in an inappropriate place. In front of a shop, because they are just going in for a minute, for example. Cyclists do the most harm to blind individuals in a city. Cars cant even come close.

I once saw a blind man step out of a bus shelter onto a pavement. A cyclist who was riding on the pavement immediately hit them and knocked them to the floor. The cyclist did not stop, they just shouted 'Sorry' and carried on cycling up the pavement. If cyclists wish to have a good reputation amongst the general public then as a group they need to realise there are some really bad apples spoiling the bunch, and work…

When was the last time you saw a driver calling out another driver for poor etiquette?

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

#519
post #396

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> if a driver has to 'squeeze past', they are a bad driver if they do not kill you, they are not. or maybe if you are scared of other road users and need a "safe space" you aren't a good road user. just maybe > if a driver is driving so close that they couldn't react to a cyclist falling, they are a bad welcome to the reality. I'm not driving too close to you, you are zig-zaging in the middle of the street and you we…

> welcome to the reality. You are in control of your car no?

you are in control of your bike no?

if you die riding something that runs on two minuscule strips of rubber that requires movement to stay in equilibrium and has no protection whatsoever for the rider, that usually don't even protect themselves because "who cares", why should be other people's fault?

Re: Things people blamed on bicycles

#520
post #480

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Not op, but current gas prices in european country: 1,8€/L 43 EUR would buy me 24L at most. And with my car I could travel 184km 70L full tank costs 126€ An economic car would go 430km for 43 EUR

Given that when I tank "full" tank it's usually about 27l, I just did not realize some cars have 70l tanks. I know little about cars :)

Pretty common for SUV’s/trucks. Mine is 80l, $100 fill - but it doubles as my house.
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