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Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by lukas099 »

werds wrote: post #348
fassssst wrote: post #325

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https://www.kexp.org/ Eclectic music curated by real DJ’s, you’re welcome.

https://vintageobscura.net/ https://imr.party/ https://www.nts.live/ https://sohoradiolondon.com https://worldwidefm.net/ https://www.dublab.com/ https://netilradio.com/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music https://poolsuite.net/ https://somafm.com/ i only listen to live radio, this is my station rotation (in addition to KEXP)

So how do you listen to these? In your browser, or do you use some kind of streaming app?

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by willfindlay »

I tried listening to the provided playlist and recommendations yesterday and a few hours later Spotify reset my account password due to detected suspicious activity. So it seems like they are at least actively trying to mitigate such money laundering schemes.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by strbean »

kixiQu wrote: post #61
strbean wrote: post #40

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It could be as simple as another piece of metadata on the track.

And on the file level, it is! But then do you as a music player / streaming service display that all the time, when most people are not listening to classical music and do not care about the composer? Do you make the user manage which columns are visible? (Almost every HN user misses when more software did this. Almost every normal user found it confusing/annoying.) What about publishers who do not give a damn that J…

I don't mean "add composer to the metadata", I mean add a field "primary artist key" which could have the value "composer", "performer", etc.

How many fields are displayed is up to the UI, but having metadata to indicate what the most sensible field is would allow a simple UI like Spotify to just show that by default.

Specifying on an individual level avoids trying to lump together genres and categorize which field matters most for each.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by MacroChip »

One time I made a "Hitler finds out"* meme and uploaded it to youtube. My video immediately got 2 copyright claims on it. One was for the video and was probably by the film rights holders. The other was for the audio and it was this song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSlbcRumfwk I assumed that this was some kind of scheme. The audio claim has since been removed (not by me and I don't know when).

* https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hitlers-downfall-parodies

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by sagebird »

I don't think it is likely - but I wouldn't rule out that Spotify is behind this.

Spotify has collected user "skip data". That is a massive dataset. They have research to try to train AI to generate audio that humans are less likely to skip.

These results seem a bit more midi based, and I would assume that the models they generate would work on raw audio, so doesn't seem like a perfect fit.

Though, in general, it must be tempting for Spotify researchers to test their creations on their customers.

(Note: I do not believe it is ethical to collect skip data, or any data from customers and use it to train AI without a very steep OPT-IN process. Burying some legal disclaimers in wall of signup jargon is a terrible practice.)

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by unsupp0rted »

EMM_386 wrote: post #330
nosianu wrote: post #131

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That's really interesting - although when I read that story I thought the point was the broken recommendation system. Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing . Or Facebook/Youtube, somehow: I watched a single video on Youtube about Viking sword fighting and suddenly my people recommendations on Facebook were at least 20% milit…

> Happens to me a lot on Youtube too - you watch just one thing - and now your recommendations are full of things like that one thing. I've heard reports of this happening but for well over a year, YouTube was still recommending relatively high quality videos to me that went along with my interests. Until last week. Somehow, somewhere along the line I must have clicked on some sort of "influencer" video. Now all I se…

I have the same problem. I don’t know what I did to tell YouTube I’m interested in Minecraft (never tried it, never watched someone try it).

I can vaguely see why YouTube is pushing right-wing conspiracy videos on me, but Minecraft? Mr. Beast? I’ve blocked perhaps two or three dozen of these channels. Take the hint, YouTube.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by RHSman2 »

After spending some time and frustrations releasing music and trying to understand growth I believe Spotify is propped up by playlist/user fraud. If somebody could go an audit Spotify and get to the real human numbers I think it would shock and inform how crazy our world is.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by RHSman2 »

DownGoat wrote: post #244
INTPenis wrote: post #81

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What does it cost an artist to run a stream? I thought Spotify hosted the content. Do you mean it costs money to run the bots that listen to the stream and get the artist recommended and heard by more people?

There are services that offer bots that increases your listening count on Spotify. People with dirty money create a bunch of artists and songs on Spotify, and use the services to increase the listening count. Spotify pay out royalties based on those numbers. So they pay the service with dirty money, and get clean money from Spotify

Dirty in, Clean out = Laundering

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by RHSman2 »

beowulfey wrote: post #255
INTPenis wrote: post #81

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What does it cost an artist to run a stream? I thought Spotify hosted the content. Do you mean it costs money to run the bots that listen to the stream and get the artist recommended and heard by more people?

You need some kind of publisher/label to get on Spotify; an individual can’t do it themselves (unless that’s changed recently). There are labels that do this for a reasonable amount of money, Like $30-50/year or so.

Distrokid et al. Easy

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by RobKohr »

DecoPerson wrote: post #7

In the “Release Radar” generated for me last week, there was a 40 second song consisting of rhythmic mechanical noises with a strange title and album art of an alien head. I didn’t like it at all. I think it was recommended to me because the publisher listed its artist as “Fanny Mendelssohn” — a classical composer whose work I definitely enjoy and have probably pressed “Like” a few times on — even though the song had…

Yeah, I heard Eminem had this problem too.
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