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Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by sinenomine »

extheat wrote: post #9

Cool. Can anyone chime in on how this compares to other ML SoC/ASICs? I know many places are going hard on general purpose GPUs, but I’d imagine ASIC based supercomputers (like Google TPU) are the way to go forward.

It's a very focused and impressive effort. Training from SRAM can be one-two orders of magnitude faster than training from DRAM.

Modern GPUs, even with some process advantage (and no shipments her, H100) strive to be general purpose processors too much, and that caps their peak deep learning performance.

Every serious player will have to make or buy their own TPU.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by te_chris »

mciancia wrote: post #43
dadof4 wrote: post #39

So they have one of the world’s most powerful super computers and they still can’t figure out how to make the car handle an incoming merge lane or how to properly drive down a two lane road without a lane lines…. I grew so frustrated with Tesla constantly trying to solve hard problems without mastering the easy stuff I sold the car.

Maybe it not an easy problem?

It must be, he’s been selling Full Self Driving for years.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by mlindner »

killyourcar wrote: post #11
threatripper wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk promising FSD by the end of the year - year after year - is one major thing that tarnished the Tesla image in my mind. I now assume that he has to believe that in order to avoid lawsuits. Maybe the same is with the computing infrastructure. They need to build it to show that they honestly believed it could work - even though they failed to deliver on their promises many times. That said, they do make progress an…

Musk is absolutely the reason I would never consider buying another Tesla, having just sold mine. Dude just straight up lies. He may not realize he's lying, but he lies constantly. Edit, because I'm getting downvoted. Here's some examples: self driving, battery swaps, robotic snake chargers, cybertruck windows, Bitcoin won't be converted to fiat, starlink speeds will improve, he will sell his home, first mars mission…

Half the things you mentioned happened. And most of the rest of the things you mentioned were never planned to happen (i.e. simply thinking out loud).

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Post by panick21_ »

killyourcar wrote: post #11
threatripper wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk promising FSD by the end of the year - year after year - is one major thing that tarnished the Tesla image in my mind. I now assume that he has to believe that in order to avoid lawsuits. Maybe the same is with the computing infrastructure. They need to build it to show that they honestly believed it could work - even though they failed to deliver on their promises many times. That said, they do make progress an…

Musk is absolutely the reason I would never consider buying another Tesla, having just sold mine. Dude just straight up lies. He may not realize he's lying, but he lies constantly. Edit, because I'm getting downvoted. Here's some examples: self driving, battery swaps, robotic snake chargers, cybertruck windows, Bitcoin won't be converted to fiat, starlink speeds will improve, he will sell his home, first mars mission…

I can understand some of these 'lies' but most of them are not really lies. I can understand being angry about self driving, most of the rest of it is pretty absurd.

Most of these are either things that are simple changes in strategy, mostly good choice regards to internal investment and roadmap. Others are research projects that were never promised to be products. I really don't understand how anybody can be angry about any of those.

Some of these are products, but apparently they are not as perfect as they could be according to you. This is pretty absurd definition of 'lie'.

> first mars mission 2024 > Oh man, I forgot he took money to fly tourists to the moon.

This is maybe the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. They are experiencing delay on one of the most difficult engineering projects ever.

I guess we should execute him for daring to not having flown people around the moon.

In aerospace even simple LEO orbit rockets often launch late, its normal and costumers know that its a probability. Contracts do handle these cases.

Most of this boils down to Musk saying 'this is our current plan' and then people get angry when plans change. I don't understand why. Did you personally sign a contract with Tesla for a battery swap station or something?

I for one really like getting updates on what SpaceX/Tesla is planning or working on. But I don't get upset when they change it. When I see a snake charger I don't go 'oh they promises this and it will be in my garage in 3 month'. They have absolutely no obligation to me.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by rvz »

solardev wrote: post #54
te_chris wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It must be, he’s been selling Full Self Driving for years.

To be fair, it has been Full Self Driving for years. Here's the car. Drive it yourself.

Yes, you have to still pay attention to the road and drive the car, since the car is still unable to drive itself reliably without a human, which that was supposedly the Level 5 Full Self Driving (FSD) promise of 2020 with the 1 Million robo-taxis still missing.

The product has been 'Fools Self Driving' demoware for years.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by robbiep »

mlindner wrote: post #50
defrost wrote: post #18

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> Never forget the cave rescue ready submarine and pedo accusations. I never forget that people like yourself continue to bring up the nonsense. He tried to help save the kids for goodness's sake. All he gets is ridicule for trying to help. You people are insufferable. Did no one ever teach you "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"?

I half like/admire musk and half am disappointed he’s so thin skinned. It wasn’t a gift horse, it was a toddler having a tantrum and doing something like that (saying the things he said) reflect poorly on his character.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by panick21_ »

16890c wrote: post #29
hoseja wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

??? Why keep bringing that up? The sub wasn't needed because of fortunate good weather and less cave flooding than expected, the "advisor" who never even dived was a middle age white dude in SEA.

The sub was an insane idea by the account of all involved experts. Do you really think that being a middle aged white dude in SEA is enough to warrant pedophilia accusations?

> The sub was an insane idea by the account of all involved experts.

Please provide a source. The only person ever comment about it as far as I know was not one of the main divers involved, it was a British guy who was accidentally there and was losely associated consultant and by the tone of his comments, he seem to be mainly angry that Musk go media attention.

The SpaceX engineers develop the sub in coordination with the diving team for one specific contingency case and were happy when the sub didn't have to be used.

Then after that one of the consultants who apparently doesn't like Musk started giving interviews and because the media didn't really have anything to report about the actual rescue they played up the drama and tried to find anybody willing to comment.

So I guess we are angry here that SpaceX invested a fair amount of resource to try something that could potentially help.

The comment by Musk was clearly stupid, but beyond that I don't really see what is wrong with what Musk/SpaceX did. The best case one can make is that 'it took attention away from what important' ok, but that's not really in their control.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by thunky »

rvz wrote: post #56
solardev wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it has been Full Self Driving for years. Here's the car. Drive it yourself.

Yes, you have to still pay attention to the road and drive the car, since the car is still unable to drive itself reliably without a human, which that was supposedly the Level 5 Full Self Driving (FSD) promise of 2020 with the 1 Million robo-taxis still missing. The product has been 'Fools Self Driving' demoware for years.

You missed the joke.

Re: Tesla Dojo Custom AI Supercomputer at HC34

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Post by _ea1k »

mciancia wrote: post #43
dadof4 wrote: post #39

So they have one of the world’s most powerful super computers and they still can’t figure out how to make the car handle an incoming merge lane or how to properly drive down a two lane road without a lane lines…. I grew so frustrated with Tesla constantly trying to solve hard problems without mastering the easy stuff I sold the car.

Maybe it not an easy problem?

I once drove a Tesla on a road that was asphalt covered over what appeared to earlier be a concrete road. The concrete was visible through cracks in the top asphalt surface in straight lines. To a camera, they sort of looked like lane lines, but they were right down the middle of the lanes!

I was manually driving, but the car was constantly freaking out because it thought I was running off the road. :lol Yes, it can be a hard problem.

OTOH, my car is running regular AP and will not engage when no lane lines are available. Nevertheless, I've managed to trick it into engaging in a few cases by engaging while the lines are there and keeping it on when they disappear. It does this close to flawlessly in my neighborhood, which is actually pretty surprising.

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